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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by Derbasti »

omellet wrote: post #80
Derbasti wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get access to things like org mode and magit and deep REPL integration and an integrated package manager. You get the ability to configure absolutely everything in elisp. Many experienced Emacsers routinely write small snippets of elisp to automate some task. This goes well beyond adding a key bindings here and there, or the odd macro, and is really amazingly powerful.

Can't you do the same thing with vimscript (or python, if you're using +python builds)?

No. This has been discussed ad nauseam already. Vimscript offers a limited API to some functionality of Vim. Emacs is written in Elisp, and thus, everything is accessible and changeable in Elisp. What is more, Emacs and Elisp were designed from the ground up with malleability in mind.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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mercurial wrote: post #96
erikb wrote: post #85

I always have a hard time figuring out why people would switch from one tool to another just to start configuring the other to behave like the original tool. Can someone name some reasons to switch from vim to a vim-like configured Emacs? The reason I've seen mentioned by the author is to learn the other tool, in this case Emacs. But for that I think the smarter way would be to learn to use Emacs like Emacs users do…

> Can someone name some reasons to switch from vim to a vim-like configured Emacs? You're attached to modal editing but you want some of the Emacs plugins and a less terrible scripting language.

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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by aaronm67 »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I prefer using IDEs to navigate larger projects, and you get better code completion (I use Visual Studio for C and PHPStorm for PHP). I just have a hotkey to open up Vim at the current line/file, - I prefer Vim for heavy text editing and heavy reformatting.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by erikb »

splawn wrote: post #99
erikb wrote: post #85

I always have a hard time figuring out why people would switch from one tool to another just to start configuring the other to behave like the original tool. Can someone name some reasons to switch from vim to a vim-like configured Emacs? The reason I've seen mentioned by the author is to learn the other tool, in this case Emacs. But for that I think the smarter way would be to learn to use Emacs like Emacs users do…

Emacs is easier to customize. I used vim for 10 years before switching last year to emacs + evil. After a month I felt more comfortable in elisp than I ever was in vimscript. If you use terminals within emacs you can navigate and search through all the text as if it were in a vim buffer, imo a step above readline's vim mode. If you are comfortable with vim modal editing you must try emacs with evil, you get much bang…

Sounds like a very good argument. Customization would be the Emacs way. That at least sounds like the Editor Operating System association to Emacs.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by [deleted] »

callesgg wrote: post #22

If you want to use emacs as if it was vim why change? Personaly: I try to use my console editors as vanila as posible so that I can feel right at home directly. Kind of the exact opposite of this :)

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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by splawn »

dlau1 wrote: post #43

Bravo man, I tried to make the switch from vim to emacs evil and failed horribly. I would eventually throw emacs into a state where it wasn't in any of the evil modes, then bash my keyboard with C-X C-C. Is it possible to use emacs+evil without knowing emacs inside and out? Emacs with evil, without a doubt, runs so much smoother while editing large projects. The biggest point is that asynchronous operations are a lot…

Next time this happens try running evil-emacs-state. (Its bound to C-z ...I think that is the default binding that the evil install setup) EDIT: just realized I posted this without saying why to do this. This command will put you into evil-mode even if the major mode doesn't start off in it for some reason. I use it all the time to navigate and search the output from package-list-packages for example.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by taeric »

SeoxyS wrote: post #28
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

In Vim, a single badly-written plugin can make the entire editor feel sluggish. I'd recommend disabling your plugins one-by-one, until you find the culprit.

I'm curious how this isn't true in pretty much all environments. I guess I can understand how it might be heightened in vim. I can't think of anything that would prevent it elsewhere though. (There is also the odd incentive to have all plugins well written if the affect is pronounced.)

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by bch »

millstone wrote: post #57
bch wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the first-class IDE-style features you want?

I am not the person to whom you replied, but the feature I use most often in Xcode is Go To Definition (with command-click). This integrates with clang, so it knows how to navigate templates, overloads, etc. It also integrates with the build system, so it knows the correct header search paths, preprocessor macros, etc. I imagine there are some plugins available for vi and emacs that try to provide these features, but…

For "go to definition" I use either ctags or cscope. Cscope can work as a front-end and launch -whatever- editor you want. In nvi, I have good interfaces to both cscope and ctags, and I believe most vi clones have ctags interfaces, and emacs has etags.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by lcedp »

> I don't miss any text command, operator, motion or work flow from Vim. Marks, paragraph reformatting, visual mode, visual block, macros, registers, text objects, splits (vertical, horizontal, :normal, folding, etc)... it has almost everything.

Tried for 10 minutes and found out it has not g-/g+. (still awesome)

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