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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by sjm »

vsbuffalo wrote: post #26
rtpg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I really like in vim is the modal editing. Evil replicates all that stuff really well in my opinion. Plugins in vim are usually pretty poor compared to emacs, and vimscript is frustrating. Emacs Lisp is at least a consistent language, and one that I can figure out how to use much better.

I thought this was the case too, but YouCompleteMe is really terrific for Vim! I wish emacs had something similar.

Haven't actually tried it, but I've come across https://github.com/abingham/emacs-ycmd before and it looks decent? I also use autocomplete-mode which has a bunch of hooks for pretty much every language under the sun. I have it set up with jedi for python and clang for C/C++/Obj-C.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by dlau1 »

Bravo man, I tried to make the switch from vim to emacs evil and failed horribly. I would eventually throw emacs into a state where it wasn't in any of the evil modes, then bash my keyboard with C-X C-C. Is it possible to use emacs+evil without knowing emacs inside and out?

Emacs with evil, without a doubt, runs so much smoother while editing large projects. The biggest point is that asynchronous operations are a lot easier to perform in emacs. You can get close to it with plugins like vim-dispatch or vimproc, but they always felt like a second class solution to me.

You get cool stuff like search/replace preview and super smooth async operations in the background (like on the fly linting with flycheck).

In the end, I'm still using vim. Unite with vimproc is "good enough" for me. For me, the only real place where async operation is a huge problem is with file search operations. Every few months I try to use emacs for a day, maybe next time it will stick :)

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by saidajigumi »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

Are there any other former vi/emacs users (like, hardcore - I used to browse the web in emacs) who ditched it for an IDE?

I've used both emacs and vim extensively, but have never "ditched" either for an IDE. However, what I have found is that in some dev environments I'll use the IDE as the primary editor. IDEs at their best have great tools for maintenance, navigation, and comprehension of existing codebases. But when it comes time for e.g. many kinds of textual heavy lifting or whole-cloth new code I'll switch right over to emacs/vim.

FWIW, I'm really hoping that the long-term architectural changes in neovim will open the door to first-class IDE style feature sets. There's definitely been some good work that way in recent years, but those efforts are often hobbled by the classic editors' long legacies.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by barclay »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

Old (old) school vi user here.

When I was working at a .net shop, VS became my vim (mostly because it was already always running), also because it was incredibly familiar.

Since leaving the .net world though, I've relapsed. Have had trouble with eclipse|intelli-j|etc due to their general java slugishness on the mac.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by bch »

I used to be all vi all the time. One day I figured I ought to learn emacs. I don't remember what the exact impetus was, but I gave myself an 8 week challenge to use nothing but emacs. For the next ~7 years, I pretty much used nothing but emacs, and it was enlightening to work with text in the emacs concept, and to witness emacs' implementation of its concepts, and all the excellent modes that authors developed within its framework.

Fast-forward to about 4 months ago, and I thought: "My vi-fu isn't at the level of my emacs-fu", so I gave myself an 8 week challenge...

If anybody were to ask me "should I learn emacs or vi?", an appropriate answer would be "yes." They're both awesome, and you can learn both. Go for it.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by vectorpush »

cnp wrote: post #16
dopamean wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try terminal Vim. I don't use MacVim and have very few issues with sluggishness.

I started with terminal Vim, began having issues with redraws, and made the switch. I find that MacVim is faster and more stable.

Try switching to a different terminal app. I get excellent performance running vim and my entire dev environment in tmux. I also find that the performance is pretty consistent whether I use chrome-ssh, cygwin, gnome-terminal or konsole. Honestly, I'd be surprised if any modern GUI toolkit could compete with a curses app in terms of display performance.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by atmosx »

cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

Try using terminal's vim. Works better for me, I rarely use MacVim.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by zackham »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

Power vim user for 7+ years, then started using org-mode in emacs and eventually got sucked in and did everything in emacs for a while... then needed to do Android dev, ended up really liking Android Studio, realized all the JetBrains IDEs are amazing. Now I'm spending my days with Android Studio, AppCode, RubyMine, but still using org-mode in emacs. Never felt right with evil mode, but the vim bindings in all the JetBrains IDEs are good enough. I'm not going to let terrible support for visual mode multiline insertion ruin my day. There's a place for all these tools and eventually you're going to have to touch a lot of them. I'm really happy I respected them enough to invest some real time.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by bch »

saidajigumi wrote: post #44
brandonmenc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

Are there any other former vi/emacs users (like, hardcore - I used to browse the web in emacs) who ditched it for an IDE? I've used both emacs and vim extensively, but have never "ditched" either for an IDE. However, what I have found is that in some dev environments I'll use the IDE as the primary editor. IDEs at their best have great tools for maintenance, navigation, and comprehension of existing codebases. But wh…

What are the first-class IDE-style features you want?
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