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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by GuiA »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #134
sbuk wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show us an example of another smartphone manufacturer that does better.

Google's updates make your phone go faster, while Apple's updates make your phone go slower ? :-) (Harvard Study) http://goo.gl/wyAQYE

Does anyone read the actual articles anymore?

A study by Harvard University shows online complaints rise every time a new version is released. Researchers discovered that Google searches for phrases such as ‘iPhone slow’ spike whenever a more expensive type of the device goes on sale.

In contrast, they found there were no such patterns for rival products such as the Samsung Galaxy.

Professor Sendhil Mullainathan said: The results are, to say the least, striking’. However, he warned that the perception of a phone ‘slowing down’ may be purely psychological.

The study bases itself solely on results of Google searches. (also, that's the kind of research some professors are spending their time on these days? wow.)

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by paulojreis »

josefresco wrote: post #215
paulojreis wrote: post #149

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> A 5.7" iPhone would be as out of place in 2006 (not enough power to push those pixels, low power screen tech was non-existent) as a 3.5" phone is today. Why would a 3.5'' phone be out of place, today? I see people everywhere assuming this is right, that increasing the screen size was truly needed (and demanded), but I'm yet to see the evidence. I mean, I'm sure that there's evidence that people wanted bigger screen…

Plenty of articles show that people are buying phablets and bigger screen phones this past year at higher rates. In fact, I would argue it's the only reason Apple made a big ass iPhone as they were losing customers in this growing segment. Purchasing a product is a pretty god measure of intent.

"People are buying" and "higher rates" isn't really proper data. Also, phablets are somewhat new, so increasing at higher rates is normal.

What I wanted to know is roughly how much are the bigger smartphones being sold, against the regular-sized ones. The most recent Apple smartphones are big, both, while the "regular-sized" ones are from last year or before. Does the data supports this decision - "forgetting" about the "regular-size" and launching only bigger ones?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by josefresco »

paulojreis wrote: post #222
josefresco wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of articles show that people are buying phablets and bigger screen phones this past year at higher rates. In fact, I would argue it's the only reason Apple made a big ass iPhone as they were losing customers in this growing segment. Purchasing a product is a pretty god measure of intent.

"People are buying" and "higher rates" isn't really proper data. Also, phablets are somewhat new, so increasing at higher rates is normal. What I wanted to know is roughly how much are the bigger smartphones being sold, against the regular-sized ones. The most recent Apple smartphones are big, both, while the "regular-sized" ones are from last year or before. Does the data supports this decision - "forgetting" about…

My attempt was not to share the actual data, but to allude that the data is readily available showing that "phablet" as a market segment is growing.

Can't put my hands on the exact article and corresponding chart, but from memory the segment has grown from around 4-5% area to closer to 10%. Again not exact numbers, but until I find the post that's all I got.

Consumers have had both "regular" and "large" phones to choose from and they're choosing larger and larger displays.

These are not the posts I'm specifically remembering, but do have helpful insight:

http://www.businessinsider.com/there-will-be-four-times-more...

http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/third-smart-phones-shipped-q...

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by mark-r »

pinkyand wrote: post #192
flatline wrote: post #175

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I still think the "why" of the watch was missing from the presentation, and a lot of his points were spot on. My wife called me all excited about it and I kept asking her what it did and she didn't have a clue. But I'm not sure it matters. My takeaway from reading your post was "Google released a watch? Oh...who cares." So I think you're right, Apple is still doing more right than wrong. I just don't think of Google…

> There's still nobody around who can do a product release like Apple. But they might just reusing old fame. another one or two non-revolutionary product releases and , and their launches might become like everyone else's.

Remember when people used to line up to get their copy of Microsoft Windows? Fame is fleeting.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by paulojreis »

josefresco wrote: post #223
paulojreis wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People are buying" and "higher rates" isn't really proper data. Also, phablets are somewhat new, so increasing at higher rates is normal. What I wanted to know is roughly how much are the bigger smartphones being sold, against the regular-sized ones. The most recent Apple smartphones are big, both, while the "regular-sized" ones are from last year or before. Does the data supports this decision - "forgetting" about…

My attempt was not to share the actual data, but to allude that the data is readily available showing that "phablet" as a market segment is growing. Can't put my hands on the exact article and corresponding chart, but from memory the segment has grown from around 4-5% area to closer to 10%. Again not exact numbers, but until I find the post that's all I got. Consumers have had both "regular" and "large" phones to cho…

> Consumers have had both "regular" and "large" phones to choose from and they're choosing larger and larger displays.

I'm sorry, but I can't read that from the data you shared. "They"'re not choosing larger and larger displays - it was an untapped market, so people willing to buy bigger smartphones are doing it, as they become available. We can't assume that everyone/most/many will follow this trend and we also don't know when it will stop growing. Also it seems natural that buying trends will, up to a point, follow marketing trends - if almost all automakers start selling only big cars, then people would choose "larger and larger" cars.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by tolmasky »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #197
tolmasky wrote: post #67

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That's the point, that it does exist. I don't regret the other iPhone 5's because they actually don't exist. Since the iPhone 6+ actually does exist, developers will start programming custom superior landscape layouts for it that will serve to continually remind me I don't have it. Had the only difference been physical size, the decision would be easy like you describe, I'd be measuring on one variable that I know ho…

"I don't regret the other iPhone 5's because they actually don't exist." Except that they do exist (i.e. iPhone 5C). Perhaps you didn't face this dilemma with the 5S vs. 5C because it was clear which one was seen as the "best". It's the status symbol aspect. Phablets are a niche market, if you have never wanted a phablet then the 6+ is not for you. The flagship model is the 6. As for the features you'll be missing ou…

Once again, you seem strangely convinced that I am obsessed with the "status symbol aspect" despite my repeated listings of the differences in features I care about. I'll try once more: the iPhone 6 is smaller, which I consider better because I have small hands. The bigger one has iPad-style landscape layout and a better camera that I care about. Notice how neither of those have anything to do with impressing anyone with my status. Notice also that I don't care that one happens to be called a phablet: it still contains features unrelated to the size that I want and don't understand why they left out of the smaller one, and I also fear the fragmentation of the app market for things designed for the bigger screen and arbitrarily not available for the smaller one (as has already happened in Apple's software).

And I absolutely care about the discrepancy of features with Android as well. I happen to stick with iOS since I develop on iOS, of course I'm sure you'll now respond that this is really subconsciously because I want to have the status of an obj-c programmer or something.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by ZenoArrow »

tolmasky wrote: post #226
ZenoArrow wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't regret the other iPhone 5's because they actually don't exist." Except that they do exist (i.e. iPhone 5C). Perhaps you didn't face this dilemma with the 5S vs. 5C because it was clear which one was seen as the "best". It's the status symbol aspect. Phablets are a niche market, if you have never wanted a phablet then the 6+ is not for you. The flagship model is the 6. As for the features you'll be missing ou…

Once again, you seem strangely convinced that I am obsessed with the "status symbol aspect" despite my repeated listings of the differences in features I care about. I'll try once more: the iPhone 6 is smaller, which I consider better because I have small hands. The bigger one has iPad-style landscape layout and a better camera that I care about. Notice how neither of those have anything to do with impressing anyone…

"I also fear the fragmentation of the app market for things designed for the bigger screen and arbitrarily not available for the smaller one (as has already happened in Apple's software)." That could happen, but if it happens a lot I'd expect Apple to change their app approval guidelines. iOS now supports dynamic layouts AFAIR so it shouldn't be a big issue for the better developers.

As for your continued phone upgrade dilemma, if you're an iOS developer there's a good argument for getting both (if you can afford it), but aside from that...

Have you used a phablet before? Small hands may not be an issue, speaking anecdotally phablets are relatively popular in Asia and Asians seem, on average, to have smaller hands than Americans. Why does this popularity exist? I'd suggest it has something to do with where you use your phone and what you use your phone for.

Ask yourself two questions... 1. Do I mostly use my phone whilst standing up or sitting down? 2. Do I communicate using voice calls much?

If you mostly use your phone sitting down and don't use the voice call features of your phone much, consider a phablet. If you're often using your phone whilst standing up, consider the smaller phone. If you use voice calls a bunch, but mostly sitting down, it's mostly personal preference (I mean, it's all personal preference, but the answer is less clear cut).

Perhaps the only way you'll resolve this for yourself is to try a phablet for yourself and see if you get on with it. Do you know anyone with a Galaxy Note?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by stealthlogic »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

Well said.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by Radiant »

What an awful article. The whole "let's imagine how Steve Jobs would do it" thing is so lame and morbid. His whole critique is basically "Why isn't Tim Cook the same as Steve Jobs?!" If you need bullshit "storytelling" to like or buy a product, then that product probably sucks.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by Radiant »

ryanSrich wrote: post #62
owenwil wrote: post #46

This was killed already once today and is back again? Steve was very explicit to Tim Cook and others in the Apple executive team that they should never ask "what would Steve do." Seems to be written by someone with little understanding of Apple today.

Looks like the author is a YC alum. It's destined to reach the front page.

His website design is a shameless rip-off of Paul Graham's website. It's incredibly lame.
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