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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by vidarh »

djur wrote: post #103
GCPCo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, you are missing the point. Steve identified the insight (the WHY) behind a product before he introduced the details and design. Cook & team skip all the important foreplay. It makes the products feel less Apple-y, less inspired, and simply, more like everyone else's. I love Apple and will keep buying their phones, the watch, and Macs. But for some of us, the company is also part of the products.

"Foreplay"? Apple is a consumer electronics company, not a lover. You admit you'll buy their products regardless -- why should they make a point of titillating you?

They're a consumer electronics company selling high margin, high priced, niche products to people who care a lot more about aesthetics, image and feeling than the average consumer. They do need to titillate if they want to maintain their margins.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by cmiles74 »

MCRed wrote: post #74
gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

Frankly, I'm glad Cook is not trying to imitate Jobs. Imagine if Cook had gone on stage and followed the script jiggly wrote. It would have come off completely insincere. Sincerety is why Jobs was great, and it's why Cook is great. He doesn't BS us, as Jiggity seems to want. But the thing is, no matter what Apple does people will complain. There's always another way that they could say would have been better. If Appl…

I don't think that Tim Cook needs to imitate Steve Jobs in order to make the product more compelling. My take-away from the article was that this Apple event focused too much on technical details and not enough on why people should want the product.

One bit that struck me was when the author pointed out that this watch now seems like a gadget for the geekier people, rather than something for everyone. That really could be, Apple has spent much time and money getting consumers excited about these events and, perhaps, squandered some of this excitement.

I am also not a big fan of choice. Sixty options sounds stressful to me, especially with something new that I've never really seen before.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by Spooky23 »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

With the near-canonization of Jobs, people forget that his version of the right answers changed all of the time. Remember how awesome the PowerPC was due to the "velocity engine"? Not 18 months later, Steve was on stage pitching the amazing performance of the Intel Mac.

The whole business of iOS devices is shifting away from revolution towards evolution. The first big hint of this was when they shipped the low-margin iPad Mini. Earlier this year, Apple begin talking about how transformative apps are to people.

I think the watch and phablets reflect this -- people who watch alot of video will appreciate the bigger phone, and the watch is a whole new way to deliver app functionality.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by nogridbag »

nogridbag wrote: post #178
DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

Apple should have released a single iPhone 6. A larger screen than the 5S with the physical dimensions of a much smaller phone. Look how much smaller the LG G3 with 5.5" screen is compared to the 6 plus with 5.5" screen. I just bought the G3 on Amazon for $49.99 on contract and LG has a promotion for a free additional battery and battery charger. Hard to pass up that deal. http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/LG-G3,…

I'm not sure why I was downvoted. Releasing a phone with a larger screen while minimizing the bezel so the phone is only minimally larger than a iPhone 5S would have stuck with Jobs original philosophy. If LG could do it, I'm sure Apple could too.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by azurelogic »

72deluxe wrote: post #136
GuiA wrote: post #18

Hacker News: your premier source for Steve Jobs fan fiction. (laughs) Does the author really think that Steve Jobs would have ever said "When I open up a website on Safari, I don't have to strain my eyes anymore"? They're still selling 5S and 5C! Not even Asus would disparage their previous products like that. The rest of the piece is just as bad and devoid of substance. (Steve rolls in his grave)

The audience responses (audience gasps) was like reading a script to The Simpsons. Like a dumb mob audience.

Sounds like a good cross section of the tech press. Only half kidding. There have been mentions of this kind of thing (cheering, gasping, feverish typing) in live blogs of these events from The Verge and others.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by neohaven »

richard_cubano wrote: post #76
dogecoinbase wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Missing the holiday season is intentional -- for one, Apple does that all the time, to great effect re Q2 sales (they require no additional holiday sales boost). Secondly, they deliberately licked the cookie of this product category, which is going to annihilate holiday quarter sales for their competitors and most likely cripple wearables teams in terms of group buyin for the coming year.

Wouldn't it be even worse for other wearable companies if people could, you know, buy the iWatch in time for the holidays?

Not necessarily.

There could also be a "Well if Apple is going to release something right after the holidays, the other companies might try to make better models right after the apple watch comes out" feeling. Sort of the feeling that Apple might get one-upped by Samsung, et al.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by cognivore »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #122
ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

>> "Take the metro / subway in any big, affluent city these days, and look around youself. What do you see? People whose eyes are glued to their phone screens, oblivious to the people around them, looking for "human warmth" in their virtual companion. That's really not the society I want to live in." I agree with a lot of what you said but this isn't correct. True we all have out faces buried in our devices but befor…

This comparison is specious and unfairly undercuts the ThePhysicist's point.

People of that generation, outside of commuting, were an exceptionally social generation. Family dinners being important and often required, where you shared your day. You didn't see the entire family sitting around the table with a newspaper like you see entire families at a restaurants with their noses buried in smartphones.

Where are those same people you see in these pictures today? Commuting in cars - ever more isolated than before. They rarely if even carpool.

Original replies point is excellent and well said and if you're trying to somehow compare newspapers and smartphones you're ignoring a looming social problem that is going to affect generations to come. We already see it's detrimental affects in trying to higher young people.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by frogpelt »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

You should listen to Simon Sinek's TED talk about "Start With Why". He also has written a book with the same name.

The reason people like Apple products, and consequently Apple the company, is because they like how Apple approaches building products. Apple starts with "Why?" and works their way to "What?"

Obviously, this approach doesn't appeal to everyone but it does explain that "religiousness" you described.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by krrrh »

jamesrom wrote: post #97
gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

I thought the fist shake thing was a subtle way to show he's wearing the watch. Every new product is introduced and shown for the first time in an interesting way. iPod was in Steve Jobs' pocket the whole time. iPhone was in Steve Jobs' pocket the whole time. iPad was under the cloth on the table beside the armchair. Mac Pro was elevated from under the stage.

Let's not forget the MacBook Air in the manilla envelope.
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