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You of all people should know better than to give any credence to indictments . You know what purpose they serve, right?
Well.. I dont. what purposes do indictments serve?
To indict.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but that's how they are going to get anyone in the end, especially with their current mass spying capabilities and fishing expeditions. Remember this? http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487044715045744... If you don't cooperate with whatever they want you to do they'll get you for something , and then they'll paint you as the scum of the Earth in the media, so nobody pays too much attention to what th…
Is your point that he wasn't a criminal, but had evidence and charges trumped because of his resistance? Or is your point that everyone that powerful has done something illegal, and those that are caught are "painted as scum" because of unrelated actions? In one case, we have a socially decent person (fuck "law abiding", in this context) who is wronged by "justice". In the other case, we have someone who got away wit…
If you're only going after Al Capone because you can't get him for other crimes and other tax evaders go free that's still selective enforcement.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Poland? Wasn't there political fallout from that?
About as much as in the US.
By which he means, not nearly anything close to what could even remotely be considered enough.
We in the EU like to smugly look at the USA with an air of superiority. But we're not much different — there is a small group that is outraged, and most people simply don't care.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's nonsense. The US was not involved in armed conflict from 1920 (end of involvement in the Russian Civil War) to 1941 (start of WWII). That's 21 years right there. Maybe they're saying that 21 years was the longest period between military conflicts.
1941 was not the start of WWII. It started in 1939.
Not if you're Chinese, or Abyssinian.
The conflicts that became WWII started at different times in different places.
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At some point people would have started being thrown in jail and that's when resistance usually ends.
Right, but what would that look like? Would the FISA court jail a citizen without a trial, and can you imagine a FISA judge wanting to make that call, knowing that their decision will soon become public? Because once someone is prosecuted the U.S. govt would really have difficulty enforcing silence. It's one thing to force a company to be silent about surveillance, it's quite another to force individuals to be silent…
In an era of 'parallel construction', you build a separate case and use that as leverage.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, sharing information publicly is never insider trading. What makes it insider trading is for one group to have access to information about a company that another group does not have. I believe, from the training I've had, that the standard is usually 48 hours after public disclosure of information before you are allowed to act on it. Of course, insider trading laws are broken on a minute-to-minute basis by hundred…
On the face of it sounds like a hard to comply with rule. If you worked high-up within a publicly traded company, you'd have to tell no one anything about your job.
So, don't communicate with the shareholders of a public company outside of official company channels. That's a fairly easy rule.
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#117This is like being shaken down by the Mafia. You are not gonna do what we like? It's gonna cost ya. Next we are gonna break Marissa's legs.
That's how courts enforce court orders. You can get philosophical and say that the state is just like the mafia, man, except legal. But surely you understand the need for some mechanism to force compliance from people who just say "I don't want to do that" to a court ruling.
I actually believe that people should be allowed to do what they like, with the underlying premise that everyone has a right to not be harmed by another's actions. The law seems to have lost it's way to the point where if you are rich you win, poor you loose.
And if you are the government or a business and you can't win, you change the rules so that you can.
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#118I wish there was a way to post anon here. I create a new id every now and then and post but no one sees the posting because it's new... I wish more people would be outraged by where the u.s. Is going and just leave. If you're educated, have desirable skills, you can just come to Europe. If you think you can change what's happening in the u.s. I do not agree with you. You will lose to the political class. They have 10…
The age of your account has absolutely nothing to do with who sees your posting.
Making new ids every now and then is strange, there is absolutely no need for that unless you are divulging something that might cost you your job or that you're embarrassed to share.
As for your 'come to Europe' call, America needs critical Americans just as much as Europe needs critical Europeans. The better solution would be to push for change locally, rather than to instigate a brain drain.
Europe has just as many problems as the US does, the only difference is that we do not yet have a European president with sufficient power to wield to cause real trouble. But we're getting there. And then what would you tell any Americans that you've tempted here with greener pastures? If you want to improve the world the best place to do it is right where you're living.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but that's how they are going to get anyone in the end, especially with their current mass spying capabilities and fishing expeditions. Remember this? http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487044715045744... If you don't cooperate with whatever they want you to do they'll get you for something , and then they'll paint you as the scum of the Earth in the media, so nobody pays too much attention to what th…
Is your point that he wasn't a criminal, but had evidence and charges trumped because of his resistance? Or is your point that everyone that powerful has done something illegal, and those that are caught are "painted as scum" because of unrelated actions? In one case, we have a socially decent person (fuck "law abiding", in this context) who is wronged by "justice". In the other case, we have someone who got away wit…
Everyone has done something which is technically illegal or could be painted in a bad light. This is an old truth best stated by Richelieu - If you give me six lines written by the most honest man, I'll find something in them which will see him hang.
Something like insider trading is a particularly grey area, because directors trade all the time with more knowledge than the public (how could they not), and leaks of information happen all the time without punishment. I don't know all the details of this particular case, but I'd be skeptical of taking the conviction at face value, given the willingness of some branches of the US government to openly lie to the public, distort the truth, bypass or neuter the judicial branch, and vindictively punish and vilify those who refuse to cooperate in illegality or blow the whistle on their activities.
More generally, whether you take a conviction as a proof of moral turpitude relates to how much faith you have that the justice system in a given country is operating in a just, transparent and fair manner. If you don't have that faith, a criminal conviction means nothing in moral terms.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet we keep electing the same politicians that went along with all this. We deserve the tyranny.
So many people I talk to think the expanding tyranny primarily comes from politicians or bankers or corporations (the blame targets). When it actually comes from their fellow citizens, effectively voting away rights election after election for decades.
The problem is that the system from the beginning was rigged against major change with the two-party system and the way state vs. federal authority is set up.
Most of the rights that we pride ourselves on today were gained by citizen action (strikes, demonstrations) that were more often than not violently oppressed by the authorities, until the pressure threatened to undermine the stability of the system, in which case they threw some bones and progress was made.
One could fear that the advanced state of surveillance, mass media brainwashing, and militarization of police forces has all but closed this avenue for change.