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Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Fair enough. But it still stands, couldn't Yahoo ignore it? What's the worst thing the government could do to Yahoo that would go unnoticed by the public, if Yahoo didn't comply?

That's an expensive gamble, with probable jail time somewhere in there for the responsible execs.

I find it very hard to believe any government agency could take Marissa Mayer or anyone on the board off to jail with no reason and not cause a huge stir...

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#82
post #9

So that's the price of having principles.

In general people/entities with principles and morals have a higher price to pay. For them it's worth it.

> In general people/entities with principles and morals have a higher price to pay. For them it's worth it.

Or the reality of a destroyed life leads them to suicide as the only way out. Prison is pretty terrible.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#83
post #53

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I was thinking about that because it seemed like a cost they could just afford to ignore ($91m/yr), this was probably not the limit of the penalties they could have faced.

At some point people would have started being thrown in jail and that's when resistance usually ends.

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Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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I wish there was a way to post anon here. I create a new id every now and then and post but no one sees the posting because it's new... I wish more people would be outraged by where the u.s. Is going and just leave. If you're educated, have desirable skills, you can just come to Europe. If you think you can change what's happening in the u.s. I do not agree with you. You will lose to the political class. They have 10…

Europe's management has it's own set of problems. I might add, Europe has also been at war for most of the time it has been inhabited. Just because parts of Europe have taken a break for the last 60 years doesn't negate this.

I'm pretty sure a bunch of old realms having long time land disputes and family feuds and ethnic disavowals for over a thousand years is different from an industrial military complex that keeps conjuring up wars for oil and to keep itself well-oiled, and worse yet stirs its fat finger in the world's cup in the name of self-righteous capitalism.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#85

A smarter company would have treated the $250K as a marketing expense. It's peanuts compared to what Yahoo earns, and imagine the reaction when people figured out that Yahoo had gone to the mat for its users.

you understand that in order for this to be marketing it needs to be public information.

That's what the multi-million dollar charge marked REDACTED on your quarterly earnings report is for.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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This is nothing compared to what allegedly happened to QWest. When the US Government was forcing telecom by telecom to install taps into their business's core routing hubs Joseph Nacchio, the CEO at the time, dug his heels in demanding legal avenues to avoid turning his back on QWest's customers. The US threatened to pull out large contracts that made up a large part of QWest's business. Furthermore, having been serv…

Reprising a comment from a long time ago: Nacchio was convicted of running a pump-and-dump insider trading scam that netted him ~$100MM at the expense of common public shareholders. If there's an award for "most obnoxious implication of NSA's wrongdoing", it should go to the attempted rehabilitation of people like Nacchio. Here's the indictment. It's quite straightforward. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/…

Sure, but that's how they are going to get anyone in the end, especially with their current mass spying capabilities and fishing expeditions. Remember this?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487044715045744...

If you don't cooperate with whatever they want you to do they'll get you for something, and then they'll paint you as the scum of the Earth in the media, so nobody pays too much attention to what they did exactly.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#88

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Europe's a big place. My corner of it had a secret CIA prison. Also there's a Vietnamese restaurant here called "Hong Kong Lounge". The crimes don't end at the US border.

Poland? Wasn't there political fallout from that?

Also Romania.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#89

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That's an expensive gamble, with probable jail time somewhere in there for the responsible execs.

I find it very hard to believe any government agency could take Marissa Mayer or anyone on the board off to jail with no reason and not cause a huge stir...

I find it very easy to believe that the NSA could find a crime which Marissa Mayer (or anyone else) is guilty of and carries jail time as a punishment.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#90
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reprising a comment from a long time ago: Nacchio was convicted of running a pump-and-dump insider trading scam that netted him ~$100MM at the expense of common public shareholders. If there's an award for "most obnoxious implication of NSA's wrongdoing", it should go to the attempted rehabilitation of people like Nacchio. Here's the indictment. It's quite straightforward. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/…

Sure, but that's how they are going to get anyone in the end, especially with their current mass spying capabilities and fishing expeditions. Remember this? http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487044715045744... If you don't cooperate with whatever they want you to do they'll get you for something , and then they'll paint you as the scum of the Earth in the media, so nobody pays too much attention to what th…

Is your point that he wasn't a criminal, but had evidence and charges trumped because of his resistance? Or is your point that everyone that powerful has done something illegal, and those that are caught are "painted as scum" because of unrelated actions?

In one case, we have a socially decent person (fuck "law abiding", in this context) who is wronged by "justice".

In the other case, we have someone who got away with something wrong, only to be nailed for something else.

One person is a "solid citizen" (placed in quotes because, again, who knows what the fuck that means).

The other is Al Capone.

I don't know if I'm OK with going after Capone for reasons-unrelated-to-the-real-reason (taxes versus criminal conspiracy), but I think it's important to acknowledge the difference.

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