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The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.

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http://synthpopviewer.rti.org/ has better locations and the points are households, not people.

On the down side, this appears to show "white Hispanic" as white, which makes Denver look like a giant sea of sameness instead of one of the most diverse cities in the country.

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Panning around randomly I stumbled on this curious little area: http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png I thought whoa that's cool, a dense little community of minorities. Turns out: https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.6908437,-86.4131159,15z Damn it.

fortunately not all will turn out to be correctional facilities, a few turn out to be government housing of the older high rise or apartment style.

There a few high density housing areas near Atlanta that are all one race or another, like the old ethnic neighborhoods of big Northern cities.

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post #37

So much for 'the melting pot'... This society still has a long way to go.

Where do you want to "go" as a society? Is the goal to have the same "diverse" racial distribution in every community? I for one am ok with people living in communities that are mostly of the same race. I think these communities preserve cultures better. Something I personally would not like to see disappear. For instance, I would not like Chinatown to become 50% white, 20% black, 20% hispanic and 10% asian or someth…

my mom taught me this analogy as a kid:

"we don't want a 'melting pot'. We don't want everyone to become the same. We want something more like a 'mixed salad' -- all the pieces bring their own unique flavor and contribute to the whole. It's OK if some bites have a little more tomato and others have a little more carrot. Just don't be that picky eater who pushes all of the cucumber off to the side like it doesn't belong."

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post #46

Am I the only person slightly miffed that this isn't presented on a black background?

I don't think the chosen palette is perceptually uniform in intensity, either, at least not on my display. A whole whack of white people (sky blue dots) looks less populous than the same number of Asian people (red dots)

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Panning around randomly I stumbled on this curious little area: http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png I thought whoa that's cool, a dense little community of minorities. Turns out: https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.6908437,-86.4131159,15z Damn it.

Nice find. Interesting to see an effect of the drug war manifested on a map.

That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else.

There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice find. Interesting to see an effect of the drug war manifested on a map.

That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else. There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.

> That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offense.

That doesn't mean that only 17% are there because of the drug war.

> There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to pretend that crime only happens because of the drug war.

Perhaps, but that's no more weird than the weird need for certain groups of people to minimize the impact of the drug war, e.g., by pretending that the only people who are imprison because of the drug war are those convicted of drug offenses. Prosecutions conducted as part of the war on drugs aren't all "drug offenses" any more than prosecutions conducted as part of Prohibition were all liquor offenses.

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#78
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice find. Interesting to see an effect of the drug war manifested on a map.

That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else. There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.

A fair amount of crime which is not narrowly "drug crime" is at least partially ascribable to the drug war. In decreasing order of being "drug caused," we have:

1. Violence over territory from drug dealers can lead to various violence-related charges.

2. Drug addicts may commit monetary crimes in order to pay for drugs.

3. The general mess that the black market drug trade makes of some neighborhoods creates an environment in which young people feel they have few legitimate options and turn to crime.

Which isn't of course to say that all crime is ascribable to the drug war. But certainly it's more crime than what you'd narrowly call "drug offenses" like possession, dealing, trafficking, or laundering the proceeds.

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#79
I wish maps like this would label in which order they draw the dots. It makes a difference.

This one, for instance, appears to draw (bottom up) "White", "Black", "Hispanic", "Other", "Asian" - this over-represents the races higher up on the list, especially in densely populated areas. That solid block of red? It probably has other colors underneath, but you can't see them, and they don't tell you this.

This is one of the nicer maps like this that I've seen, but excluding that info is blatantly misleading.

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else. There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.

A fair amount of crime which is not narrowly "drug crime" is at least partially ascribable to the drug war. In decreasing order of being "drug caused," we have: 1. Violence over territory from drug dealers can lead to various violence-related charges. 2. Drug addicts may commit monetary crimes in order to pay for drugs. 3. The general mess that the black market drug trade makes of some neighborhoods creates an enviro…

Also consider that some imprisonment may be attributable to the drug war even if the crime itself is not. Crime does not inevitably lead to imprisonment, or even prosecution -- whether a crime leads to prosecution, and what kind of punishment is sought, doesn't just depend on the crime itself, or whether the prosecutor can prove it, but also on what effect the prosecutor wants to have on the potential target of prosecution.

If someone is a target of law enforcement because of the drug war, but the crime they can make stick is something other than drug-related that they wouldn't have bothered to prosecute in otherwise similar circumstances were it not for the attention given that target in the drug war, they aren't always going to say "oh well, let's not prosecute until we can gather sufficient evidence of a drug offense."

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