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Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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I'm one of those drivers who hates sharing roadways with bikers. It's not that I have to share, but between slowing traffic down, pure safety concerns for the biker (who I as the automobile driver am responsible for in the case of an accident) and the generally shitty entitled attitude lots of bike riders seem to have (probably earned from dealing with irritated drivers like me) I get my hackles raised every time I s…

> Bikes aren't automobiles no matter how much we debate about it. They shouldn't be sharing the road with cars. While I understand the sentiment you need to understand that cyclists are put in a pretty awkward legal situation themselves. They exist in a no-mans-land between pedestrians and vehicles. Sidewalks are often too narrow, too close to blind corners, etc for safety. They're often VERY bumpy. At 2mph a sidewal…

>despite being required to obey all traffic laws however ill-suited they are for pedal powered vehicles.

I absolutely agree with this general sentiment. Bikes aren't vehicles and can't perform like a motorized vehicle along virtually any parameter. They shouldn't be regulated like a vehicle and they shouldn't be sharing space with vehicles.

They also clearly aren't pedestrians since sharing space between bikes and pedestrians is usually a bad experience for everybody (I've been hit by numerous bike riders while out jogging or walking on local trails. They usually yell at me for blocking their path if the collision causes them to have to stop or fall). However, because they move at much higher speeds than pedestrians, they're dangerous in mixed spaces.

But they're a valid form of transport. But clearly distinct from both other modes. So I fully support bikes having distinct travelways. I'm even delighted that my tax dollars might help pay for it.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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I'm one of those bikers who hates sharing roadways with cars. It's not that I have to share, but between taking up so much of the road, pure safety concerns for bikers(since automobile drivers win every single colition) and generally shitty entitled attitude lots of car drivers seem to have (most likely because there are more of them so they think they own the road) I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the…

Except I pay for the roads.. you know.. registration, taxes on gas, taxes on purchase of the car, etc etc... But hey, you're welcome to pay a little for the roads too ;)

Cars also inflict many externalities onto others that other forms of transportation do not (pollution, increased travel distance, injuries and deaths, etc.), and yet drivers seem less keen on paying extra to compensate for those costs.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those bikers who hates sharing roadways with cars. It's not that I have to share, but between taking up so much of the road, pure safety concerns for bikers(since automobile drivers win every single colition) and generally shitty entitled attitude lots of car drivers seem to have (most likely because there are more of them so they think they own the road) I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the…

Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right? Would you walk in the middle of the road? No, because that's idiotic and stupid. But sit on a few pounds of rubber and tubed aluminum, travel only slightly faster than the same moronic pedestrian and now it's a smart commuting idea? You've chosen to go out and share the roads that were built for cars and decided for every driver (who are actually entitled…

> Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right?

Yes, but they were also built for bicycles.

> for every driver (who are actually entitled to be on the road in their cars)

Yes, they are so entitled, but so are bicyclists. Motorists are also responsible for other motorists safety.

> And then you've decided to inconvenience every single one of them

When you drive a car, you do this also. I'm assuming you've heard people complaining about traffic. When you're driving, you are traffic.

> I randomly picked my hobby

Why do you consider driving "what they need to be doing" and bicycling a hobby? Both activities are done both as a hobby and of practical necessity.

> In fact, I have a better hobby. It's called "tack throwing".

You've deliberately designed this hobby to be a jerk. Some bicyclists that are jerks also, but mostly they seem to be as jerky as the population at large.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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"I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the roads. Bikes aren't automobiles no matter how much we debate about it. They shouldn't be sharing the road with cars." Horses must really piss you off then.

People around where I live are smart enough to keep their horses off of the roads and onto horse trails (or in a trailer when they're transporting them). And despite having hundreds of miles of dedicated bike trails I still get stuck behind some guy in full bike kit going 15 mph in the middle an undivided 2 lane 45 with double yellow at least once a week. Being a 15-20 minutes late because he couldn't be bothered to…

Hang on, you want the people who are currently cycling, to drive cars containing bicycles to where the dedicated lanes are, park these cars, then cycle on, because you think this will stop you being delayed in traffic as much?

Are you this irrational in general, or is it just on this topic?

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right? Would you walk in the middle of the road? No, because that's idiotic and stupid. But sit on a few pounds of rubber and tubed aluminum, travel only slightly faster than the same moronic pedestrian and now it's a smart commuting idea? You've chosen to go out and share the roads that were built for cars and decided for every driver (who are actually entitled…

> Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right? No, they were not. They were built for horses - with and without carriages - and bicycles and motorbikes and cars and vans and trucks and buses. > You've chosen to go out and share the roads that were built for cars Criminal offence for cyclists to use the pavement.

I can absolutely guarantee you that not a single road within 10 miles of my home was built for a horse or carriage and maybe 3% have history back to pre-auto time periods. They were built specifically for automobiles travelling at speed.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those bikers who hates sharing roadways with cars. It's not that I have to share, but between taking up so much of the road, pure safety concerns for bikers(since automobile drivers win every single colition) and generally shitty entitled attitude lots of car drivers seem to have (most likely because there are more of them so they think they own the road) I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the…

Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right? Would you walk in the middle of the road? No, because that's idiotic and stupid. But sit on a few pounds of rubber and tubed aluminum, travel only slightly faster than the same moronic pedestrian and now it's a smart commuting idea? You've chosen to go out and share the roads that were built for cars and decided for every driver (who are actually entitled…

Most roads in the world were not originally built for cars:

http://www.citylab.com/commute/2012/04/invention-jaywalking/...

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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I'm one of those drivers who hates sharing roadways with bikers. It's not that I have to share, but between slowing traffic down, pure safety concerns for the biker (who I as the automobile driver am responsible for in the case of an accident) and the generally shitty entitled attitude lots of bike riders seem to have (probably earned from dealing with irritated drivers like me) I get my hackles raised every time I s…

Agree with this completely. What I still don't understand is everyone is ok with someone going 15 mph or less, only wearing a helmet, with no license or understanding of traffic. Cyclists should pass a road license just like motorbikes to be on the roads IMO. Bike lanes, fine, no license. Get on the road with cars, you better understand the risks. Especially when you go 6 cyclists wide and absolutely refuse to move o…

One reason cyclists stay in the middle of the lane is to prevent selfish dangerous drivers from overtaking dangerously.

I haven't seen people cycling 6 abreast - I agree that's probably unacceptable and definitely infuriating.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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I lived in Shanghai for a brief period a few years ago, and there were protected lanes everywhere. It was utilized by both bikers as well as scooters. When it comes to managing loads of people, I'd imagine the Chinese have quite a bit of insight.

Compulsory Chinese traffic cartoon - http://soimgoingtochina.blogspot.com.au/2007/06/beijing-traf...

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those bikers who hates sharing roadways with cars. It's not that I have to share, but between taking up so much of the road, pure safety concerns for bikers(since automobile drivers win every single colition) and generally shitty entitled attitude lots of car drivers seem to have (most likely because there are more of them so they think they own the road) I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the…

Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right? Would you walk in the middle of the road? No, because that's idiotic and stupid. But sit on a few pounds of rubber and tubed aluminum, travel only slightly faster than the same moronic pedestrian and now it's a smart commuting idea? You've chosen to go out and share the roads that were built for cars and decided for every driver (who are actually entitled…

Well, you are aware that the roads were built for cars right?

I suspect the Romans would be very surprised if you could go back and tell them.

Re: Bike lanes have sped up car traffic in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those bikers who hates sharing roadways with cars. It's not that I have to share, but between taking up so much of the road, pure safety concerns for bikers(since automobile drivers win every single colition) and generally shitty entitled attitude lots of car drivers seem to have (most likely because there are more of them so they think they own the road) I get my hackles raised every time I see one on the…

Except I pay for the roads.. you know.. registration, taxes on gas, taxes on purchase of the car, etc etc... But hey, you're welcome to pay a little for the roads too ;)

I pay taxes on wars, but would be happy to not have the war if I didn't have to pay those taxes.

Sadly, that's not how taxes work. Each tax isn't "for" something, they all go to into the budget and are used to buy stuff.

Toll roads might be a fair example. Those are mostly closed to bicycles.

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