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The Unexotic Underclass

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Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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fta: But there’s only so much Washington can do to help out, what with government penniless and gridlocked, and its elected officials occupying a caste of selfishness, cowardice and spite, heretofore unseen in American politics. This is pure both-sides-do-it bullshit. In reality, one side recently passed an amazing transformation of health care to attempt to pull the united states -- still the world's richest large c…

This is good post. I suppose you're prepared for downvotes? ;-) >Somehow Europe, Canada, Japan, etc, all make health care work but we can't. The thing is, that's mostly accurate. Those places all have governments that still occasionally get out of bed in the morning and serve the interests of their citizens. America does not. Now, the reason it doesn't in the first place, is mostly due to the actions of the same sort…

Cost control is actually one of the ACA's stronger points, and since it was passed the increase in health costs has been cut by a third.

The limited expansion of health care is the main problem with the ACA, but a big part of that can be blamed on the Supreme Court.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #12

>what with government penniless and gridlocked Um, the U.S. federal government will be spending something like $3.4 trillion in the fiscal year beginning at the end of this month. That's pretty much the exact opposite of truly "penniless." As for gridlocked, sure, it's going to be difficult for the Dems to expand Obamacare, and it's going to be difficult for the GOP to repeal Obamacare, so by that crabbed version of…

Need to distinguish between legislators and administrators. Selling a solution to latter is a losing proposition, because they are usually struggling to accommodate all the spending mandated by former.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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Let's take a look at the real problems facing America and the rest of the developed world: 1. Mismanaged IT in critical infrastructure. 2. Misallocated funds in programs helping the destitute. 3. Cyclical loops of depression-lack of opportunity-lack of skill building. 4. Health disorders on a massive scale, like metabolic disorder, that can be solved with very simple things like diet and exercise. These places are no…

>that can be solved with very simple things like diet and exercise.

"Very simple", applied to diet? Try very controversial.

There are tons of different "good diet" theories, and many of them are mutually contradictory.

I've tried several, and done a lot of research. I've settled on "low carb" as sustainable, healthy, and actually effective -- and it doesn't need to be terribly expensive (though it's likely more expensive than subsisting on grains).

But getting people to change their diet -- really change -- is really hard. For low carb, it means no possibility of fast food (except the occasional burger or grilled chicken patty sans bun -- no fries with that!), so you have to plan more carefully. And if you don't want to be eating all-meat, you have to cook low carb vegetables and eat salads.

When I tell people how I eat, they generally tell me they couldn't eat that way, and the reason is that they have their own food habits/rituals that involve carbs. And it typically ends there.

If there were more places that were low-carb-friendly, it would be much easier. But aside from the occasional BBQ joint that offers non-sweet sauces, it's really hard.

[By the way: when you say "sugar diets", are you including all simple carbs in that? Because eating cooked potatoes gives you a faster "sugar rush" than eating sugar; to really fight metabolic syndrome, you need to get rid of high glycemic index foods as well, and ideally just eliminate carbs entirely. Natural fats, on the other hand, are fine if you eliminate carbs. I refer to my diet as the "bacon and dark chocolate" diet, because I can pretty much eat as much of both as I feel like -- and yet I've lost more than 30 pounds.]

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no one gives fuck all about the poor. That's blatantly untrue. People care. Ask yourself; how many of your friends "don't give fuck all about the poor"? I find it hard to believe that a majority of people would not wish a better life on poor people. But solving their problems is intimidating, difficult, and probably unprofitable. If the true problem is that poor people are poor because they don't have any money, th…

> some problems aren't best solved through technology, or through "people caring", but simply through better governance. And here you run up against a religious belief named "The Government Is The Problem", which is utterly intractable and ineradicable in someone with an advanced case, and will never die off because it's founded on either blatant self-interest (A regulatory body is harming my profits!) or soured opti…

I can't tell if you're accusing me of this religious belief or not, since I framed this as "the government is (could be) the solution" - a rather opposite attitude to the one you described.

There are many sorts of cynical, overly sour people. The kind you describe is certainly one of them. But I don't see the relevance of their existence?

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #29

I can sum this up so very simply. The way to make the most money is to get as close to money as possible. Hence why finance is such a lucrative career. We are seeing the obvious flaws of capitalism now that capital is no longer tied to low skill labor for manufacturing. Want to make a ton of money 1 year from today and have good credit? Spend your days with an MLS subscription finding under-priced homes to flip in a…

Hmmm- there is perhaps some merit to your theory but I doubt its as easy buying an MLS subscription and flipping homes.

Some of what you are saying is applicable to Advertising as well. See Chris Dixon's posts on why Google is so profitable because its closest to the transaction.

http://cdixon.org/2010/02/19/a-massive-misallocation-of-onli...

http://cdixon.org/2009/09/29/why-content-sites-are-getting-r...

===From Chris Dixon's Posts===

For example, an average camera buyer takes 30 days and clicks on approximately 3 sponsored links from the beginning of researching cameras to actually purchasing one. Yet in most cases only the last click gets credit, by which I mean: 1) if it’s an affiliate (CPA) deal, it is literally usually the case that only the last affiliate (the site that drops the last cookie) gets paid, 2) if it’s a CPC or CPM deal, most advertisers don’t properly track the users across multiple site visits so simply attribute conversion to the most recent click, causing them to over-allocate to end-of-funnel links 3) if it’s a non-sponsored link (like Google natural search links) the advertiser might over-credit SEO when in fact the natural search click was just the final navigational step in a long process that involved sponsored links along the way.

What this means is there are two huge misallocations of advertising dollars online: the first from intent generators to intent harvesters; the second from intent harvesters that are at the beginning or middle of the purchasing process to those at the end of the purchasing process. This is not just a problem for internet advertisers and businesses – it affects all internet users. Where advertising dollars flow, money gets invested. It is well known that content sites are suffering, many are even on their way to dying. Additionally, product/service sites that started off focusing on research are forced to move more and more toward end-of-funnel activities.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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If it's true that 1 in 10 Americans are war veterans, they could literally revolt. They probably have the numbers and potential support from the military needed to succeed. Because the VA, and by extension the federal government and the American people, treat them like absolute garbage, and this is not going to get fixed in the current system. Wouldn't be the first time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

>Wouldn't be the first time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Thanks for reminding folks about the Bonus Army. This was a sad day in U.S. history.

But remember the Bonus Army did not revolt. It was, I believe, a peaceful protest. The firepower came from the other side, when Hoover and MacArthur decided to send in the regular army (so much for the First Amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances). I wonder how U.S. history would have turned out differently if the Bonus Army veterans actually had been armed and defended themselves against troops that were attacking them and their families with bayonets...

Nowadays, especially after the Gun Control Act of 1968 and additional restrictions under Bush 1.0, the the disparity in armament between civilian vs. military is a bit greater.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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I like parts of this article more than others. For example, while I share a certain sense of frustration that SV seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on mobifotosocialgames, smartphones and their downmarket progeny are an enormous quality-of-life improvement for broader America. There's virtually nothing a cash-poor-responsibility-rich person needs to do that having a smartphone does not make them be…

The article resonated with me when it mentioned "(or, because they suspect no one will invest in what they really want to do)."

>Many problems have an 80% software solution attached to a 20% "interface with the real world" mandatory bit.

My "Big Problem" is Education. I'd almost flip those numbers -- 20% software, 80% "interface with the real world." Throw in non-trivial entrenched interests including existing teachers who think they know the best way to teach, and a significant fraction of people in this country who went through a public school education and who might be prone to object to teaching kids in a new and different way.

But I still want to try. I think that it's a problem that will actually address many of the "unexotic big problems" plaguing the world today.

The big fix is for the poor. Get education right and you can make strides against poverty from multiple directions. The educated adults you produce will be more able to be employed, or to create employment opportunities (depending on temperament and opportunity). That would help single mothers and the rest -- eventually.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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> If you're itching to start something new, why chase the nth iteration of a company already serving the young, privileged, liberal jetsetter? Because those are the projects which angels and VCs bankroll. Because those are the people who have disposable cash. I was just reading an article on a conservative web site, actually one run by Ben Horowitz's father ( http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/cbs-colbert-a…

Yeah, as someone who qualifies as privileged having grown up firmly middle-class and blessed with computers and the interest to learn them since the 80s, I am not incredibly inclined to channel my entrepreneurial spirit into something unfundable to satisfy the moral call of an ex-Goldman MIT graduate on a guilt trip. Put simply, I can not move the needle through self-sacrifice. That doesn't mean I don't have ethics a…

>>"I'm not fool enough to believe I can solve (eg) poor single mothers' problems in this country with an app."

I've recently done research specifically on this topic, and here are three of single moms' many problems that probably could be solved with an app:

- Training for a job

- Reliable (as in timely and as in not about to fall apart) transportation to a job

- Childcare so that she can attend a job

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #15

I like parts of this article more than others. For example, while I share a certain sense of frustration that SV seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on mobifotosocialgames, smartphones and their downmarket progeny are an enormous quality-of-life improvement for broader America. There's virtually nothing a cash-poor-responsibility-rich person needs to do that having a smartphone does not make them be…

>'Commute to work? Apply for benefits? Schedule appointments with doctors? Successfully keep those appointments? Keep tabs on kids while working/errands? A smart phone makes you better.' Spot on. Years ago, I maintained a couple of desktops in a sort of 'job center' where people could submit electronic applications for various low-end, entry-level positions. The most common issue - no email address. Second most commo…

Here's a seemingly rare example of something that has unambiguously and significantly improved the lives of millions of poor people across the world. What lessons can we learn to try to repeat that success?

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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I like parts of this article more than others. For example, while I share a certain sense of frustration that SV seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on mobifotosocialgames, smartphones and their downmarket progeny are an enormous quality-of-life improvement for broader America. There's virtually nothing a cash-poor-responsibility-rich person needs to do that having a smartphone does not make them be…

Agreed. VC's fund companies that target markets that can be served by VC-fundable companies. And most young entrepreneurs from top schools hear that it's easiest to Get Rich Quick by founding a VC-funded company. But those aren't the only kinds of companies worth building, and "young entrepreneurs from top schools" aren't the only people who can build good companies. We shouldn't look to them (err, ourselves) as "hum…

Agree with the "young entrepreneurs from top schools" bit. Going to a top school doesn't correlate with being a good entrepreneur. It maybe correlates with intelligence and drive, but more closely correlates with privilege and connection.

There's an interesting correlation between immigrants and entrepreneurship (old-school building a profitable business entrepreneurship, not SV-type scaling an unprofitable business entrepreneurship). My take on this (utterly my own opinion) is that immigrants are less likely to get jobs, so more likely to start their own businesses.

So the people who are going to solve these problems are probably not going to be VC's, Ivy leaguers, incubators, or in Silicon Valley. They're probably going to be bootstrapping (nice bonus: if you're used to living on a very low income then bootstrapping is a lot easier). Maybe the problem here then is not the entrepreneurs, but the media and reporting. We only hear about young entrepreneurs building something awesome with technology. Maybe there's an interesting story about poor, underprivileged people dragging themselves out of poverty with technology?

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