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The Unexotic Underclass

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Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #7

Maybe I lack vision - but I don't see how any of the problems of the white collar and working poor can be solved by Silicon Valley. It would be impossible for a startup to work with the government in processing Veterns claims, for example. The regulations barriers are immense and the security and compliance problems are legion. Similarly, how are startups supposed to improve the earning potentials of the working poor…

> The regulations barriers are immense and the security and compliance problems are legion.

Paging Uber ... I am kidding, kind of. I do wonder what would happen if a well-capitalized startup did something in this space. Provide services directly based on the hope/promise/belief of future repayment?

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>what with government penniless and gridlocked

Um, the U.S. federal government will be spending something like $3.4 trillion in the fiscal year beginning at the end of this month.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of truly "penniless."

As for gridlocked, sure, it's going to be difficult for the Dems to expand Obamacare, and it's going to be difficult for the GOP to repeal Obamacare, so by that crabbed version of "gridlocked" the author has a point.

But in reality, you'll see 99% of appropriations bills (measured by pages of text) over the next few months become law with enthusiastic bipartisan votes. You'll see the NSA's budget increased for next year by an enthusiastic bipartisan vote. You'll see the number of new federal regulations expand every year with no outcry from any U.S. senator of either major party. Etc.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of truly "gridlocked."

On a more HN-relevant point, the author's suggestion of fixing the VA is something that needs to be done by the Feds, not an app. They created these serious, systemic problems for veterans and they're the only ones that have the legal authority (and responsibility) to implement a fix. The WSJ has been writing for years about sensible plans for VA reform but nobody in D.C. seems to be listening.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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It's a lot easier to get money out of people who have some to spare.

And people say Big Problem when they are embaressed to admit that it's Big Money that they are really after, when you get down to it.

That said, I know quite a few people trying to solve big problems in SF. http://www.handup.us for example.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that it's easier to make money scamming poor people. It's just easier to make money scamming people period. Rich people and poor people tend to fall for the exact same scams. The Vast majority of VC's are really running get quick scams to separate people / institutions with money from it. And if you dig into it so is much of the banking sector. EX: Morgage backed security's are really AAA. See savings and lo…

> The Vast majority of VC's are really running get quick scams to separate people / institutions with money from it. What you're saying is a calumny against VC's. VC's have helped create plenty of businesses and assets that investors value and have poured money into - like the whole Bitcoin ecosphere. Why, I have heard the top VC's, angels, and even YCombinator high mucky mucks raving about Bitcoin. If people listene…

Was that sarcasm?

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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I like parts of this article more than others.

For example, while I share a certain sense of frustration that SV seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on mobifotosocialgames, smartphones and their downmarket progeny are an enormous quality-of-life improvement for broader America. There's virtually nothing a cash-poor-responsibility-rich person needs to do that having a smartphone does not make them better at.

Commute to work? Apply for benefits? Schedule appointments with doctors? Successfully keep those appointments? Keep tabs on kids while working/errands? A smart phone makes you better.

As an entrepreneur who makes stuff for people who are not the usual suspects, the challenges to doing this are numerous and largely not conducive to the VC-funded trajectory. You have to convince people to pay you money for your services, you have to be able to service those customers profitably, and the customers are disproportionately pathological. Most of the software they consume is getting written by AppAmaGooFaceSoft because they can underwrite it with their massive monopoly rents, subsidize the cost straight down to zero, and deal with the CS headaches attendant in serving poor people by sending them to a call tree / web app backended by a Markov chain backended by /dev/null.

There's also a bit of "every problem has a software solution" enthusiasm which is, well, a bit overstated. (Sometimes this isn't stated outright, but when you expect to do something meaningful on e.g. $500k in an angel round, you implicitly expect to do something meaningful 100% in software, because $500k isn't even enough to launch a single McDonalds in the real world.)

Many problems have an 80% software solution attached to a 20% "interface with the real world" mandatory bit. The marginal cost of that last bit, though, is hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars per client served. Or it has highly non-trivial political/regulatory barriers to entry, like "Convince an incompetent, intransigent, and politically invulnerable agency to disemploy half their workforce, who are by the way mostly veterans, whose main professional competence is doing an important thing slowly, poorly, and expensively."

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#16
post #7

Maybe I lack vision - but I don't see how any of the problems of the white collar and working poor can be solved by Silicon Valley. It would be impossible for a startup to work with the government in processing Veterns claims, for example. The regulations barriers are immense and the security and compliance problems are legion. Similarly, how are startups supposed to improve the earning potentials of the working poor…

Not every solution takes the form of a startup. And there's always the lifehack of asking the working poor what they think, and listening to them. Maybe some of them have the vision we lack.

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Let's take a look at the real problems facing America and the rest of the developed world:

1. Mismanaged IT in critical infrastructure.

2. Misallocated funds in programs helping the destitute.

3. Cyclical loops of depression-lack of opportunity-lack of skill building.

4. Health disorders on a massive scale, like metabolic disorder, that can be solved with very simple things like diet and exercise.

These places are not where a bootstrapped startup can make a difference. They are mired in red tape and ignorance.

Show me the path to get people off of sugar diets. Show me the path to get the VA to modernize their forms and applications. I'll do it right now for free. It isn't just me, so many of us are ready and willing to help.

The truth is that we build Instagrams because people will use them. We build them because the biggest hurdle is Apple's insane app verification process; but the bigger problems are so much harder to solve because the blockades are human and political. Barriers that most of us can't hope to cross.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #2

Here is the basic problem. When you build a product for savvy people, your interests are aligned. Savvy people will only pay you money when you build a good product. Thus, the only way you can make money is by actually doing good, by creating a product useful to other people. This is the happy coincidence that draws so many to entrepreneurship - we get to build things, create value, and get paid $$$. When you build a…

I disagree. There's a lot of pain that you can solve in everyday peoples' lives that people could create businesses around. Look at patio11. He builds appointment reminders. Can you believe that's a real feed-your-family business? It is.

Here's what I think he was getting at. Build a solution to problems normal people have. An example of this: A jobs site that works for everyday people. IE: Monster.com that doesn't suck.

There's all sorts of developer rank and 37signals job boards for you to go to if you're one of the supermen(women). But if you're a normal person, There should be.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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> If you're itching to start something new, why chase the nth iteration of a company already serving the young, privileged, liberal jetsetter? Because those are the projects which angels and VCs bankroll. Because those are the people who have disposable cash. I was just reading an article on a conservative web site, actually one run by Ben Horowitz's father ( http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/cbs-colbert-a…

Yeah, as someone who qualifies as privileged having grown up firmly middle-class and blessed with computers and the interest to learn them since the 80s, I am not incredibly inclined to channel my entrepreneurial spirit into something unfundable to satisfy the moral call of an ex-Goldman MIT graduate on a guilt trip. Put simply, I can not move the needle through self-sacrifice. That doesn't mean I don't have ethics and integrity about what I choose to do, but just that I'm not fool enough to believe I can solve (eg) poor single mothers' problems in this country with an app.

The problems are not going to be solved until culturally we come to a common understanding about what the concentration of wealth is actually doing to the country, so the zeitgeist can move past this sort of ra-ra Fox News pro-corporate anti-socialist propaganda that millions of people believe on principle because it appeals emotionally to their rugged individualist values, but actually only serves as an idealogical wedge to distract the proletariat while the oligarchs continue with business as usual lining their pockets behind the scenes.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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Let's take a look at the real problems facing America and the rest of the developed world: 1. Mismanaged IT in critical infrastructure. 2. Misallocated funds in programs helping the destitute. 3. Cyclical loops of depression-lack of opportunity-lack of skill building. 4. Health disorders on a massive scale, like metabolic disorder, that can be solved with very simple things like diet and exercise. These places are no…

    > They are mired in red tape and ignorance.
So was provision of taxis
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