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How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by _archon_ »

zaius wrote: post #22

Interesting data. Some things that jumped out at me: 1. Apparently everyone in Santa Cruz goes to bed early and gets up early. 2. I would have expected bigger jumps on the hour. Maybe I'm the only one that sets my alarm on the hour though. 3. Why would there be dips in the AM? People hitting snooze perhaps? 4. How long do you have to moving for UP to think you're awake? How long do you have to be still for the UP to…

I would expect that most people set their alarms in 5-minute increments, and dial in what minute they choose to meet the needs of their commute and morning routine. This forces variations away from a "sharp" time spike. Also, alarm clocks are almost never right on time; I would expect that most alarm clocks are more than a minute off. This factor would smooth out the 5 minute steps I'd expect to see in the data. The alarm clock inaccuracy may decrease over time as people move to using their smartphone to replace yet another device.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by MadManE »

sumeno wrote: post #86
MadManE wrote: post #81

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We don't know That's the whole point. The fact that they have this data means that they could share it with whoever they want, whenever they want. And we would never know. So in this particular case, it's not a data issue - it's a trust issue.

The Jawbone device is built upon the idea of the company storing the information. It is implicitly implied that if you use the device your data is being stored somewhere because that is what you are paying for them to do

Sure - but that's not the issue that people have with this. The issue is that Jawbone decided to release personal data (aggregated, but still personal) to people who did not own the data.

Like I said above. . . it's not a data issue. It's a trust issue.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by baddox »

amirmc wrote: post #41
TomAnthony wrote: post #38

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I'm a Jawbone UP user and I have absolutely no problem with this anonymised data being used like this. It can make not only the product better but could also lead to useful research around sleep and health. If I want out then Jawbone has a handy 'remove all my data' option. People share all sorts of data in all sorts of places (as others have pointed out in this thread), and it is their own responsibility to read the…

> "... it is their own responsibility to read the T&Cs of those services." While some people may believe/feel this is reasonable, it has rapidly become impractical. Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use? Any idea how many pages of text that comes to? Did you also know that the reading level of most T&Cs requires college-level education (just to comprehend)? My point is that it is already impractical (&…

> Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use?

No, but if I personally thought that practices which are extremely commonplace (like the collection of anonymous data) were privacy violations, I probably would read the T&Cs. Unfortunately, I would also be unable to use the vast majority of electronic products, including virtually all websites.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by vamin »

lingc wrote: post #100
vamin wrote: post #99

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The graph is showing how many people are awake. The 93% number reflects the fact that some people were already awake before the quake.

Then according to the graph, 59/85 were awoken from sleep, which is about 71%. 59 awoken = 74 (awake at quake) - 15 (awake before the quake) 85 = 100 - 15 (awake before quake) Maybe they are adjusting for other things that are not shown on the graph.

Good point. I wonder if they are smoothing the data, which would make the peaks less peaky (which brings up another question, what is the time resolution for UP's ability to measure wakefulness?).

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by baddox »

amirmc wrote: post #87
maxerickson wrote: post #75

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Their privacy statement is short and clear: https://jawbone.com/legal/privacy ~1400 words. I liked this section: When you use the Jawbone Companion app we connect with and upload to our servers the address book and calendar on your device along with other data that we normally collect through our mobile apps described in the app usage data section below. I wonder how calendars are used.

I can't tell if you were being serious. Assuming you were, then 1400 words, presented as a wall of text, is an anathema to the short attention spans of many users. In addition, that 1400 words is a subset of around 5400 words for the Terms and use of software/services. We can debate whether people should be educating themselves about such terms but my point is (still) that it's impractical in the long term as we want…

The fact that people's views of their privacy rights are subjective means that a lot more than 1400 words would be necessary to cover every single action that at least one human perceives to be a privacy violation.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by baddox »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #27
ClassicFarris wrote: post #20

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At first I thought something along these lines, then I remembered: 1. Google has "trends" when things happen, and "Earthquake" was most certainly googled near/at the time it happened. 2. The phone company has records, which many people texted/called near/at the time it happened. 3. 911 has records and calls were made near/at the time it happened. and so on… So there are private entities and government that have data…

I think it also has to do with what content is being recorded. Intimate sleep data is a bit different than knowing I called 911 for an emergency situation.

It's subjective. I would consider a call I made to 911 to be a lot more personally sensitive than my sleep patterns.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by freehunter »

baddox wrote: post #103
amirmc wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "... it is their own responsibility to read the T&Cs of those services." While some people may believe/feel this is reasonable, it has rapidly become impractical. Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use? Any idea how many pages of text that comes to? Did you also know that the reading level of most T&Cs requires college-level education (just to comprehend)? My point is that it is already impractical (&…

> Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use? No, but if I personally thought that practices which are extremely commonplace (like the collection of anonymous data) were privacy violations, I probably would read the T&Cs. Unfortunately, I would also be unable to use the vast majority of electronic products, including virtually all websites.

And has anyone seen the notice "This site uses cookies" and said "aw shucks"?

And if they do, do they also continue using the sites that don't have to tell you about their cookie policy?

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by baddox »

wwwwwwwwww wrote: post #67
dohertyjf wrote: post #64

In response to antr and others talking about how this is "private" data, a few things: 1) Jawbone is a data company. You get what you want from them by giving them your data. Giving them your data is your choice, so if you are uncomfortable with it then you should not have a Jawbone. 2) What's interesting about this article is that it's in aggregate, across a statistically significant (so they say) number of people i…

> If you don't like your data being stored somewhere, why are you even on HackerNews? having my sleeping records and a table of what times during the day that I shit is a lot more sensitive information than the trash I post on hacker news

That is your personal opinion, and it's perfectly valid. I would recommend people with that opinion to not use a Jawbone UP.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by dredmorbius »

bjacobel wrote: post #48
dredmorbius wrote: post #36

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You are correct. I am using an old browser. It does date from the present decade, however. It's not that old. I'm somewhat amused by the number of sites which fail to work properly (some at all) with it. Imgur is entirely dead. Reddit I can read, but moderation and reply buttons don't work. I hit the beta rollout of a news site last night (apparently part of their A/B test) and found that among the features which fai…

So... Update, maybe? I'm sure the web developers of those sites aren't "somewhat amused" by having to try to support your ancient browser. D3 should work in any browser that supports SVG, which is every desktop browser but IE8 [1]. If you're still using IE8, some sites not working is going to be the least of your problems soon - Microsoft isn't patching it anymore. [1]: http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg

The OS I'm using isn't eligible for an upgrade. So that would require hardware. That's not in the budget at present.

The browser isn't a Microsoft product.

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