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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by at-fates-hands »

on_and_off wrote: post #67
bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

The author is very unresponsive (both to mails and on its own forum), progress is extremely slow, to the point that there are always many threads asking if the project is dead. In these conditions, I don't mind seeing an open source project aiming to replace SublimeText.

There are already plenty of other alternatives out there. I think I've used every IDE under the sun in the past two years. From paid versions (ST2, Dreamweaver, WebStorm) and plenty of opens source options like Aptana and Notepad++.

The best alternative I've seen is Adobe Brackets (http://brackets.io/). This is Adobe's IDE that gets regular builds and is essentially the nightly build of their new Edge Code IDE (https://creative.adobe.com/products/code). The newest plugins come out on Brackets first, then make their way to Edge.

The best thing about Brackets is its built in HTML,JS and CSS so it opens up a huge development community for plugins.

Interesting that WebStorm is only $49.99 for a single license and $29.99 to renew versus ST2 is $70 for a single license and the upgrade cost I believe is $70 as well?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by duiker101 »

overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I see your point of the not liking "sublime-but-free". But isn't that what basically everyone does with "it's like uber meets airb&b for x"?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by wldcordeiro »

wooter wrote: post #193
dyeje wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Sublime Text 2 for a few years now. I'm not sure what a major upgrade would entail when it works so well already. Do Emacs and Vim get 'major upgrades'? [actual question]

no, but emacs and vim don't charge 60 bucks per version. I'm not saying this is necessarily negative for ST, but its the point he was making. I frankly think 60 bucks is worth robust support which ST certainly did not have. Anyways, theres no satisfying HN. When Atom came out, the consensus was that they should've come out and said it was an ST clone upfront. Now someone does that and it seems the tide has changed. W…

I don't think Atom is ready to replace Sublime yet for me. The way it renders text just bugs me for one. The other thing is that it's lacking a good way to do syntax specific settings like in Sublime. Aside from that it's a matter of the plugin ecosystem not being as mature.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by pantalaimon »

Does it support Code completion akin to SublimeClang? That plugin is pretty much the reason I'm sticking to Sublime Text 2 (can't get it to work with 3). I know it's from the same author as lime, but according to the github description he lost interest in C/C++, so I'm wondering if this feature is to be implemented still? Or is lime compatible with the old ST2 plugin?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by hydrozen »

wldcordeiro wrote: post #203
wooter wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, but emacs and vim don't charge 60 bucks per version. I'm not saying this is necessarily negative for ST, but its the point he was making. I frankly think 60 bucks is worth robust support which ST certainly did not have. Anyways, theres no satisfying HN. When Atom came out, the consensus was that they should've come out and said it was an ST clone upfront. Now someone does that and it seems the tide has changed. W…

I don't think Atom is ready to replace Sublime yet for me. The way it renders text just bugs me for one. The other thing is that it's lacking a good way to do syntax specific settings like in Sublime. Aside from that it's a matter of the plugin ecosystem not being as mature.

Yeah, every font I’ve tried on Atom really doesn’t look good compared to ST on my mac. Even with css tweaks for antialiasing.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Guvante »

cloverich wrote: post #187
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

> I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs Its competition. Thats the market segment they are aiming to attract and serve. They aren't claiming to be Sublime Text, they are claiming they want to be better than it. Its the market leader in that area, and if that is the segment they are interested in serving, imho it wouldn't make sense to not compare themselves to Sublime Text. > Al…

> They aren't claiming to be Sublime Text

Pretty close, calling your project Lime text is pretty sketchy IMHO.

> it wouldn't make sense to not compare themselves to Sublime Text

But they aren't comparing themselves, that would be a feature page showing how many features they have. Instead they are branding themselves in a very similar way.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Guvante »

oridecon wrote: post #116
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

> And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

From a development standpoint it likely was. Doing a plug-in rewrite is a ton of work.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone1234 wrote: post #183
nilved wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why. If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

You just repeated what the person said above who I replied to. Repeating something doesn't add clarity and is not conducive to a conversation.

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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Karunamon »

trevor-e wrote: post #185
Someone1234 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The big thing is how this is open source. And how does that make a difference? You could already contribute plugins to both to add/remove/alter functionality, so other than a warm fuzzy feeling, what does Open Source add to your productivity?

You can contribute plugins, sure, but the direction of the entire project is in the hands of one person. As others have said, updates have become more scarce in recent times. For example, it was almost 6 months between build Build 3061 and Build 3062. Open Source doesn't imply that there's a productivity gain. For obvious reasons I'm a lot more comfortable using OS tools at work.

Can I ask a really silly question? Why do updates matter unless there are either serious bugs or glaring missing features? If a tool is relatively bug-free and has a plugin ecosystem which handles added functionality, why does the state of the core program matter all that much?
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