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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by k__ »

stronglikedan wrote: post #151
Igglyboo wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

I'm sure that if he were to abandon Sublime, then he'd open source it. The community is too big not to. Besides, $60 is not a bad price for something that will always be ahead of Lime's curve.

$0 is not a bad price for something that will always be behind of Sublime's curve.

I used closed and open source software. It just feels much better if I see a bug, fix it, place a pull request and be done with it, than discuss with some devs in a bug tracker if and when they want to fix a bug I hate.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

stronglikedan wrote: post #151
Igglyboo wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

I'm sure that if he were to abandon Sublime, then he'd open source it. The community is too big not to. Besides, $60 is not a bad price for something that will always be ahead of Lime's curve.

> for something that will always be ahead of Lime's curve.

What makes you so sure of that?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Someone1234 »

Igglyboo wrote: post #137
Someone1234 wrote: post #134

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> The big thing is how this is open source. And how does that make a difference? You could already contribute plugins to both to add/remove/alter functionality, so other than a warm fuzzy feeling, what does Open Source add to your productivity?

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

That wasn't what they said. They said:

> At work that makes little difference to me.

Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why.

I'd put what you're saying in the "warm fuzzy feeling" department as in the real world the majority of developers, even if Sublime Text died, would just sit by patiently and wait for someone else to release a replacement. Most lack the skills, time, or both to develop a project like Sublime Text.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by nknighthb »

aet wrote: post #123
erichmond wrote: post #68

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In NYC, senior devs can charge 2x that. I assume silicon valley is the same way.

Which is $240k a year which puts you in the top 4% of earners nationwide. Why on earth you would pay a programmer $240k a year when you can probably get the same thing outsourced for $40k/year.

Because you can't reliably get the same thing outsourced for $40k/year.

Outsourced projects have a strong tendency to either completely go down in flames, or end up being rewritten (if you're smart about it) or "fixed" (if you're stupid about it and want to spend ten times as much) by the guys making $240k.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by unhammer »

m_mueller wrote: post #54
hiker wrote: post #48

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As an active Emacs user, I can confirm the answer of all of the above is "yes". Heck, it even has a Tetris and a Psychiatrist built in. My .emacs is portable and I use it across Linux, OS X and Windows. Of course it's based on my personal preferences (vim emulation anyone?) and I seldom see people sharing the same config except maybe Bozhidar's Emacs prelude https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude

What about Regex search over file or selection, results can be turned into multicursors (!) ? GP described 'require multicursors', which I presume is an emacs package. Does it come with regex search integration?

perhaps

M-x mc/mark-all-in-region-regexp

though I just installed multiple-cursors now, have never tried Sublime so no idea what the deal is with these multiple cursors

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by hollerith »

josteink wrote: post #124
gerbal wrote: post #96

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Also being available everywhere. I like Text Mate quite a bit, but being single platform makes it harder to recommend.

> Also being available everywhere. Emacs is everywhere. Windows. Linux. GUIed. And in a terminal where I've SSHed into a remote host. TextMate? Nope. Sublime text? Nope. Atom? Nope. LightTable? No chance. These modern GUI-only editors is IMO a major step back considering the Unix-y audience they are targeting: Any decent Unix-editor needs to work on my console. No exceptions.

>Any decent Unix-editor needs to work on my console.

Not everyone feels that way. For example, I used Emacs in text mode for over 15 years, but now that I have tried editing text in a GUI, I do not ever want to go back.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Huppie »

bulte-rs wrote: post #101
Raphmedia wrote: post #77

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You may be confusing your salary with what your boss charges clients. Or, it may simply be that you are from somewhere where the economy is different.

I know the distinction between the two ;-) While my boss charges something like EUR100 an hour, I make less than 25% of that (after taxes). O.t.o.h.: The salary is quite competitive around here (41k EUR a year, 40hrs/wk, 25 days off)

From your profile it looks like you're in The Netherlands. 41k/year is acceptable but not considered competitive in my book.

Edit: Note that this 41k/year pretax salary in The Netherlands does not include the contributions your employer makes for you to your social security/pension/disability insurance, etc. That being said, even after all those it's not yet near 60 bucks an hour.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by nilved »

Someone1234 wrote: post #163
Igglyboo wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

That wasn't what they said. They said: > At work that makes little difference to me. Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why. I'd put what you're saying in the "warm fuzzy feeling" department as in the real world the majority of developers, even if Sublime Text died, would just sit by patiently and wait for someone else to release a replacement. Most lack the skills, time, or bot…

> Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why.

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by stronglikedan »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #162
stronglikedan wrote: post #151

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I'm sure that if he were to abandon Sublime, then he'd open source it. The community is too big not to. Besides, $60 is not a bad price for something that will always be ahead of Lime's curve.

> for something that will always be ahead of Lime's curve. What makes you so sure of that?

In my experience, when a project starts out of the gate by riding on the success of another project, it never fully catches up. To me, it means the maintainers are not capable of creating something themselves that is their own. They will likely always rely on Sublime to come up with new features and ideas first, and then copy them.
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