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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by jonstewart »

atmosx wrote: post #63
bloke_zero wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty happy with TextMate 2 at this point - pretty regular updates, mature eco system, continuous improvement and its open source.

The TM2 phenomenon is something weird. TM had a huge traction when it was payware. Then it stalled, then it went open-source and everybody started looking for a new payware solution. Apparently some people, still believe the theory that all you need to know about a product is on the price tag , which is absolutely false (e.g. emacs/vim have no price but are exceptional programmig editors, hardly matched by payware so…

I switched to Sublime because it was far faster and had the killer feature of offering a consistent UI between Linux, MacOS X, and Windows.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Dolimiter »

guilbep wrote: post #80

Just for information. I was using sublimeText 3. I updated two weeks ago the last release (Build 3059) and even (Build 3062) and it crashes.. since I don't want to bother using a close thing that crashes. I switched to atom.io And so far It's way better than three months ago (It's now fast enough) And It's really getting traction on the plugin side also.. I don't think I'll ever come back to sublimetext. I even went…

atom.io is not fast enough, not even close. Not for a professional developer who is using it 8+ hours a day.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Dolimiter »

Demiurge wrote: post #83
dmnd wrote: post #70

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If you liked what you saw, you should try it again soon. There core editor components were rewritten in React, which lead to some noticeable performance gains: http://blog.atom.io/2014/07/02/moving-atom-to-react.html Beyond that, there are also more performance optimizations coming: https://github.com/atom/atom/pull/3154 The only two things I miss from Sublime are "find in project" and "go to symbol in project". Atom…

A dom object for every character probably makes it forever an uphill battle.

Indeed. Atom will never be fast enough. Because of the "cool" underlying tech chosen.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by softinio »

oridecon wrote: post #69

Few months ago I moved from ST but I would come back to a similar open source solution if it implemented IDE features on packages. So I can have two shortcuts, one opens with everything IDE-like, the second one would only load a few packages and be very Sublime-ish. Fast and simple.

Out of interest what did you move to?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by kabdib »

jokoon wrote: post #32
bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

60 bucks for an editor is quite expensive I think. There are nice alternative to such an editor. I wonder what features makes sublime text so much valuable...

I'll pay for value.

For instance, I've probably sunk $800 into my current editor over the years. It's been completely worth it, and I don't regret a single penny.

Another tool (for visual diffing) was about $300, 15 years or so ago. Totally worth it; it's paid for itself many times over.

In both cases the open source alternatives were awkward and borderline broken. Sure, I could have saved a few bucks by using them, or even spent some time improving them, but it's just not worth my time. I have other things to do.

Agreed that Sublime Text looks like abandonware now. It's a fine editor (not great), and the price seems okay, but I'm guessing there will be a mass exodus when ST 3.0 turns out to be not much better than previous versions.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by gerbal »

swah wrote: post #87
bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

Me too. Even though I'm an die hard fan of the Emacs ideas on extensiblity (which is more similar to Github's Atom) speed and good defaults have to come first, the this Sublime has excelled.

Also being available everywhere. I like Text Mate quite a bit, but being single platform makes it harder to recommend.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by jrochkind1 »

erikb wrote: post #88
gabemart wrote: post #49

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> I suppose being open source doesn't stop you from giving user licenses for money, though. True, people can just use your program by violating your license. I don't follow your argument here. To qualify as "Open Source" rather than "source available", people have to be free to modify and redistribute the source code. So even if you charge for a license, there's nothing to stop the first licensee redistributing for f…

I can give you my source code and allow you to change it, but if you want to execute a compiled result of that source code I can still ask you to pay me for it. And while there is no physical thing stopping you from executing the binary without my permission, I think you would still be unlikely to do so, if you know how much work I've put into it and you know that I would like you to give me a few bucks. I'd trust yo…

You can do that, but it wouldn't be considered "open source" by most people, or by the OSI.

http://opensource.org/osd-annotated

> The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in source code as well as compiled form.

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> The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

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> The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code.

And "physical things stopping you" from running/distributing software are pretty much irrelevant/nonexistent always, this is all about legal restrictions and licensing, not physical things.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by craigc »

sqren wrote: post #19
bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

I completely agree with what you say. Sublime is awesome and I don't mind paying money for closed-source software. What I do mind is, that the development seems to have stopped, and being closed-source nobody can move it forward but the original maintainer. It once again brings attention to the most important "bus factor" [0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

I'm pretty curious about what new features you are looking for in Sublime. I spend more time in Sublime Text than pretty much any other application.

I understand the idea that "development may have stopped", but there are not any glaring bugs, sublime text 3 is super fast, and there is a huge community building sublime plugins.

The editor was built in such a way where it allows the entire community to keep moving it forward even if the original developer has moved onto other things, and I happen to think that is great.

I'm not sure that editors like vi and emacs receive regular updates. It seems that emacs releases can have up to 2 years between versions, and I can't find the last time that vi was updated. Those do have the advantage of being open sourced, but unless there are glaring holes in Sublime then I don't see this as a big problem.

Besides all that it DOES look as though there are plans for the future of Sublime as someone mentioned in a forum post on here. If it is true that development has been focused on improving the payment system for purchasing Sublime then I am all for that.

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