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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by desireco42 »

overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I think it would be fair to say that it was inspired by sublime, I agree completely with your sentiment. It does seem that Sublime will end up open sourced most likely, unless author is willing to continue development with same intensity he did before.

As for price, I was happy to pay for the editor, even though I use vim most of the time, I am happy to support modern editors and use them.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by dyeje »

oridecon wrote: post #116
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

I've been using Sublime Text 2 for a few years now. I'm not sure what a major upgrade would entail when it works so well already. Do Emacs and Vim get 'major upgrades'? [actual question]

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Someone1234 »

nilved wrote: post #168
Someone1234 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wasn't what they said. They said: > At work that makes little difference to me. Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why. I'd put what you're saying in the "warm fuzzy feeling" department as in the real world the majority of developers, even if Sublime Text died, would just sit by patiently and wait for someone else to release a replacement. Most lack the skills, time, or bot…

> Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why. If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

You just repeated what the person said above who I replied to. Repeating something doesn't add clarity and is not conducive to a conversation.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by sigzero »

oridecon wrote: post #116
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

This isn't a "fork" though or at least it doesn't look like it from a cursory look at their website. So they shouldn't be riding the coat tails of sublime at all. I understand a fork doing that but not this.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by trevor-e »

Someone1234 wrote: post #134
trevor-e wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people care so much about how it's 60$. At work that makes little difference to me. The big thing is how this is open source.

> The big thing is how this is open source. And how does that make a difference? You could already contribute plugins to both to add/remove/alter functionality, so other than a warm fuzzy feeling, what does Open Source add to your productivity?

You can contribute plugins, sure, but the direction of the entire project is in the hands of one person. As others have said, updates have become more scarce in recent times. For example, it was almost 6 months between build Build 3061 and Build 3062.

Open Source doesn't imply that there's a productivity gain. For obvious reasons I'm a lot more comfortable using OS tools at work.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by canthonytucci »

Someone1234 wrote: post #163
Igglyboo wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If something breaks or development stalls or he wants new features and the developer has abandoned the project he can then pick it up himself if he wants.

That wasn't what they said. They said: > At work that makes little difference to me. Clearly implying that Open Source is a productivity increase. I am asking why. I'd put what you're saying in the "warm fuzzy feeling" department as in the real world the majority of developers, even if Sublime Text died, would just sit by patiently and wait for someone else to release a replacement. Most lack the skills, time, or bot…

I read it as "At work, I'm happy to pay for software." and "I prefer to use open source software." as two separate thoughts.

That said, I agree that just because people can contribute to software doesn't mean they will. I'm certainly guilty of just living with bugs or functionality gaps in open source software that I use, lazily waiting for someone else to address it the same way I would if it were something developed privately.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by cloverich »

overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

> I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs

Its competition. Thats the market segment they are aiming to attract and serve. They aren't claiming to be Sublime Text, they are claiming they want to be better than it. Its the market leader in that area, and if that is the segment they are interested in serving, imho it wouldn't make sense to not compare themselves to Sublime Text.

> Also, I think it's weird that the fact that it's made in Go is part of the pitch. I mean, unless I'm contributing... I don't care.

Play the other side. You're interested in an open source alternative to Sublime Text, and you love working in Go. Is it relevant now? Because I'm willing to bet by its open source nature, they are as interested in attracting committers as they are users at this point.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by peatmoss »

hollerith wrote: post #166
josteink wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also being available everywhere. Emacs is everywhere. Windows. Linux. GUIed. And in a terminal where I've SSHed into a remote host. TextMate? Nope. Sublime text? Nope. Atom? Nope. LightTable? No chance. These modern GUI-only editors is IMO a major step back considering the Unix-y audience they are targeting: Any decent Unix-editor needs to work on my console. No exceptions.

>Any decent Unix-editor needs to work on my console. Not everyone feels that way. For example, I used Emacs in text mode for over 15 years, but now that I have tried editing text in a GUI, I do not ever want to go back.

Not everyone feels that way, but enough people feel that way. I rarely use vi or emacs in a terminal these days, but I don't see a good reason to take the retrograde step back to a GUI-only editor.

Also, network access isn't equivalent to console-accessible for quite a few use cases--fixing networking on the target box for starters.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by DigitalJack »

zura wrote: post #136

I wander why SlickEdit is not as popular as Sublime Text? Is this due to price? Otherwise, SE is quite powerful and extensible as well.

We have licenses for SlickEdit at work, and I love it. But never in a million years would I pay $500 for a text editor.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by peatmoss »

bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

For many people, the opportunity costs of paperwork to get their employer to sign off and reimburse the purchase of a new tool exceeds the monetary costs of the tool. This is an oft under appreciated aspect of the free-as-in-beer distribution of Free-as-in-freedom software.
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