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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by dragonwriter »

zura wrote: post #136

I wander why SlickEdit is not as popular as Sublime Text? Is this due to price? Otherwise, SE is quite powerful and extensible as well.

ST leveraged the popularity of TextMate and its ecosystem with support for TextMate bundles. Given the popularity of open-source tools and how that makes it harder to launch a pay tool, I thinks its a big boost for a payware tool if its able to capitalize on the popularity and ecosystem of an existing pay tool just at the time when people are looking for an alternative to it.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by pionar »

Bahamut wrote: post #89
UnfalseDesign wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I'm a web developer in the US and I make $17 an hour... and that's at a major, international corporation. I think you and I are being shorted.

Big time, but it also depends on the area of the country you live in. Pay in the midwest is a lot lower for example, but the cost of living is a lot lower as well, whereas in Silicon Valley, it is not unheard of for people to make close to $100/hour (although that is somewhat rarer).

Even in the midwest, though, $17/hour (about $35,000/yr) is WAY low. Most devs in the midwest START at about 50,000 - 60,000 for entry-level.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by patrickg »

erikb wrote: post #88
gabemart wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose being open source doesn't stop you from giving user licenses for money, though. True, people can just use your program by violating your license. I don't follow your argument here. To qualify as "Open Source" rather than "source available", people have to be free to modify and redistribute the source code. So even if you charge for a license, there's nothing to stop the first licensee redistributing for f…

I can give you my source code and allow you to change it, but if you want to execute a compiled result of that source code I can still ask you to pay me for it. And while there is no physical thing stopping you from executing the binary without my permission, I think you would still be unlikely to do so, if you know how much work I've put into it and you know that I would like you to give me a few bucks. I'd trust yo…

    "...but if you want to execute a compiled result of that source code I can still ask you to pay me for it."
morally: yes. Legally? I don't think that there is a law (German law is the one that I know a bit) that allows you restrict the usage of a piece of software.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by Kequc »

gangstaplot2 wrote: post #128
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

Oddly enough, I've been using ST2 for a while and have been too lazy to actually buy a license for it (or Divvy). I think I'll do so now for exactly this reason.

I can't because still after all these years the only payment option is still Paypal. Trying to buy a serious development tool here I'm not shopping on grandma's home sewn teddy bears and scarves.

It's ridiculous in my strong opinion.

This is like someone trying to get me to buy a domain on Godaddy just because I like to use Heroku for hosting. I don't use Paypal.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by 1971genocide »

I have seen peasant art students shell out insane amount of cash for photoshop, etc. Hell a calculus textbook for first year college is cheaper than sublime text.

You know software developers are dirt poor ( or really cheap ) when they cannot shell out 60 dollars for a piece of software they use everyday. Sublime puts so many expensive IDEs to shame and it costs a fraction ( as a donation ) and people still are up in arms about it.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by [deleted] »

smt88 wrote: post #17
eps wrote: post #7

I don't like how it shamelessly piggybacks on Sublime's reputation by using its name left and right and doesn't hesitate to knock it down by calling itself a "successor". This comes across as disrespectful at least.

Sublime is dead. No one is actively developing it. There's a rich history of piggybacking on dead software, and I (and many others) clicked this link because of that piggybacking. I completely support and admire someone who is trying to further the development of Sublime without having the original code base.

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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by xorcist »

m_mueller wrote: post #52
easytiger wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I guess it is just an editing preference. Multiple cursors i associate with mouse use (I know it isn't the same but I bet most people use the mouse with them). I consider touching the mouse dangerous for myself and for productivity. > Tree View This i fully understand (and exisits in emacs) but I think not necessary either for my workflow. A treeview does already exist in a format called folders and file…

Multicursors are one of these things that you don't understand the use for, until you start using them, at which point you can never go back. In order to understand what they do, just have a look at all six gifs on this page: http://www.sublimetext.com/ . And sorry, but if you don't know about multicursors, I'm not sure whether you get what I mean with "Regex search over file or selection, results can be turned into…

Here's a datapoint against it. I forced myself to use multicursors for a while but I don't see the point at all. It's a more clumsy way to do replacements.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by dragonwriter »

ihuman wrote: post #139
dragonwriter wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom and Light Table seem to be open source editors largely in the same vein as ST (I wouldn't say they are clones).

Isn't Light Table more focused on being an editor-REPL combination than being a text editor?

All three are focussed on being plug-in extensible into full IDEs for various languages, and have a generally similar design aesthetic that contrasts to earlier GUI editors, which is why I say they are in the same vein.

Yes, they have feature and focus differences (which is why I say Atom and LT aren't clones of ST), and one of those is Light Table's having inline evaluation as a central feature.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by stronglikedan »

Kequc wrote: post #144
gangstaplot2 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly enough, I've been using ST2 for a while and have been too lazy to actually buy a license for it (or Divvy). I think I'll do so now for exactly this reason.

I can't because still after all these years the only payment option is still Paypal. Trying to buy a serious development tool here I'm not shopping on grandma's home sewn teddy bears and scarves. It's ridiculous in my strong opinion. This is like someone trying to get me to buy a domain on Godaddy just because I like to use Heroku for hosting. I don't use Paypal.

From the second section of the Sales FAQ [0]:

Alternative Payment Methods PayPal is currently the only way to purchase a license for Sublime Text. However, for most countries a PayPal account is not required; you can purchase as a guest using a credit card. Unfortunately, PayPal requires users in some countries, such as New Zealand, to create an account.

[0] http://www.sublimetext.com/sales_faq

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by shawndumas »

erikb wrote: post #30
randunel wrote: post #23

Am I the only one who immediately wondered how Atom was doing when seeing this article? :D

Yes, me too. The last time I looked it was only for Mac users, which is totally wrong for a HTML based editor. Didn't mind looking a second time (until I hear some great buzz, I guess). I'm also curious about this vim reimplementation some guys are working on. I'll go and check that out right now!

http://blog.atom.io/2014/07/09/hello-windows.html
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