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Cell Phone Guide For US Protesters, Updated 2014 Edition
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't you actually have to remain silent? Its not just a game of Simon Says; anything you say can actually be used against you. The only solution is to remain totally silent.
I only mildly follow this stuff, but I believe you have to verbally exercise your right.
Right; but after that, remain silent. Its not like 'exercising your right' means they have to ignore subsequent confessions.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to have a lawyer, or the name of a lawyer, to ask to speak to your lawyer. The act of asking for one gives you protections: it is improper for the police to question you after you've asked for one before a lawyer is there. If you've been arrested, you'll consult with a state appointed lawyer before your arraignment, but generally arraignments are purely procedural and after one you'll either be release…
Pay heed to this advice. Never consent to be questioned by an officer of the law without a lawyer if they suspect you of wrong doing. Even if you are innocent no good can come of it. I am not advocating getting a lawyer if you are a witness to a crime. Simply if they have it in their minds you have done something wrong politely tell them you will gladly answer all of their questions once you have proper legal counsel…
Actually I think the advice does apply to mundane things like speeding tickets. If a cop pulls you over for speeding and asks "do you know how fast you were going" if you are even thinking about contesting the ticket, many answers to this question would be a mistake.
Fully exerting your rights might be a little antagonistic in this situation but you may also wish to give a complete non-answer, like "Yes, but I'm sure you're going to tell me."
Even if you just think you're just a witness to a crime, they might think otherwise. I'd tell people to trust their judgment but prisons are filled with people who trusted their judgment and thought that talking was OK, so clearly that's not always enough.
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#34It's amusing to think of how much of this article would be complete gibberish to the framers of the constitution. They literally would have no idea what some of the words mean:
- "they'll be carrying phones"
What's a phone? Is that some sort of musket?
- "Modern smartphones"
I hope the British don't have those too!
- "encrypted communications channels"
Hey, somebody tell Revere to speak in code while he's shouting that stuff from his horse.
- "social media"
What in the blimey is that?
- "End-to-end encryption does not protect your meta-data."
Hey Jefferson, this looks like one of your convoluted sentences from the first draft. Nobody's gonna understand that stuff.
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#35It's amusing to think of how much of this article would be complete gibberish to the framers of the constitution. They literally would have no idea what some of the words mean: - "they'll be carrying phones" What's a phone? Is that some sort of musket? - "Modern smartphones" I hope the British don't have those too! - "encrypted communications channels" Hey, somebody tell Revere to speak in code while he's shouting th…
They had access to quite interesting cryptography tools as well, such as a cipher disks : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipher_disk
And see : http://slclip.wikispaces.com/Cryptology+during+the+US+war+of...
There's an interesting article by Lee Taylor on civil war codes and encryption too http://chesapeakesignals.com/encrypt.htm
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#36While useful for communication, recording via smartphone is still a tricky affair. This was listed on HN recently, and as soon as it becomes available, it may be a more viable option for recording video than a smartphone camera or even a GoPro http://www.polaroid.com/cube It also has no bright screen to draw attention to itself and the small form factor makes it easier to mount in clothing and, if you have enough tim…
1968: Get busted at protest, get searched for weed.
2014: Get busted at protest, get searched for data.
We're living in odd times.
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#37For the point of "Start using encrypted communications channels" while protesting, here's a way to encrypt your voice: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/620001568/jackpair-safe... It's a low-cost alternative to BlackPhone etc.
If you already have an Android phone, I guess the RedPhone app is the most convenient and cheap way to make encrypted voice calls. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri...
The other party you called must use Android phone + RedPhone app as well.
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#38> ask to speak to your attorney > ask to speak to your lawyer > you will need an attorney to help you sort through your particular circumstance Do normal people in the US always and at all times have a lawyer on call? Especially the type of person likely to be arrested at a protest (not that there's anything wrong with that - I just doubt they're the 1%). I'm in my late thirties and certainly don't have a lawyer on s…
You don't need a lawyer on standby to call a lawyer at the drop of a hat. You can find one if and when you find that you need one. This isn't some "gotcha" where the police will say, well, you don't already have a lawyer on retainer so no rights for you.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to have a lawyer, or the name of a lawyer, to ask to speak to your lawyer. The act of asking for one gives you protections: it is improper for the police to question you after you've asked for one before a lawyer is there. If you've been arrested, you'll consult with a state appointed lawyer before your arraignment, but generally arraignments are purely procedural and after one you'll either be release…
Pay heed to this advice. Never consent to be questioned by an officer of the law without a lawyer if they suspect you of wrong doing. Even if you are innocent no good can come of it. I am not advocating getting a lawyer if you are a witness to a crime. Simply if they have it in their minds you have done something wrong politely tell them you will gladly answer all of their questions once you have proper legal counsel…
Assuming you can afford it (a big assumption, but probably the case for most people here), would it not be wise to have a lawyer present when talking to the police even if you're just a witness? The legal system is complicated and you can go from "witness" to "suspect" real quick if you're unlucky.
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#40It's amusing to think of how much of this article would be complete gibberish to the framers of the constitution. They literally would have no idea what some of the words mean: - "they'll be carrying phones" What's a phone? Is that some sort of musket? - "Modern smartphones" I hope the British don't have those too! - "encrypted communications channels" Hey, somebody tell Revere to speak in code while he's shouting th…
And yet, everyone seems to be obsessed with figuring out how the words of these long-dead fellows applies to stuff they never would have imagined rather than trying to figure out what would make good policy today. Founding-fatherism is basically the unofficial state religion of the US now.