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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by stephenr »

romerro wrote: post #129
myrryr wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are a Tech company, they make most of their money from ad's for now, but I expect in the future, it will be from AI and robotics, since they are investing incredible amounts in those areas.

Nope, that's just to deceive you. They still just want/need your attention and more of it every year on more surfaces. Online Media is way too profitable to "pivot" away from it :)

Can't reply lower.

The idea that Google will somehow abandon it's current advertising/data mining business model is ridiculous.

In 2013 Google's non-advertising revenue was less than 9% of their total revenue.

For average people, the $0 price tag is one of the big appeals about Google's various services - of course those things are really just ways to acquire product (i.e. people) data/eyeballs.

If you look at a lot of their online services outside of straight search, they do not have the best experience, they are simply free and "good enough" to squeeze out or marginalise paid services.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by lucb1e »

jfuhrman wrote: post #149
jfuhrman wrote: post #136

For those saying Google is a benevolent company, here are a few signs that the bean counters are taking over: Tracking Google Apps for Education and even paid Google Apps for Business emails to build ad profiles, making misleading statement to the public that they're not doing so, and then when it finally came to statements to federal court, lacking the dare to continue lying and finally confessing the truth and then…

Edit: I can't edit my post, perhaps due to the downvotes(why downvote without replying?), so here's a couple more. Tying Android App store to having Google search engine as default on Android, ensuring that alternative search engines cannot be shipped as default. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/02/12/documents-shed-light-... Stopping Acer from shipping Aliyun OS by threatening to pull the Play Store and Android beta…

Your profile is green (meaning new), maybe that's why you can't edit. I never noticed downvotes having anything to do with it. I found your post interesting and it contributes to the conversation, not sure why anyone would downvote (care to explain, downvoters?).

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by GlennS »

myrryr wrote: post #110
recalibrator wrote: post #25

Developers, please stop making add-ons and extensions for Google products. You accelerate Google's domination and vendor lock-in when you do.

What are we to do? We build data visualization software, but firefox is REALLY slow at rendering SVG (so no d3 for us). We have a choice of asking our customers to run ie11 or chrome, since both run quickly. We would recommend firefox, since we really like the Mozilla foundation, but the performance of it is so bad we have to steer people away from it. It is a sad state of affairs.

I'm a little surprised by this. I can believe that Firefox is slower (I haven't done the comparison myself), but even so it's still capable of rendering hundreds of thousands of points or thousands of complicated geometric shapes.

I would have thought it you had more data than that then the points will all be rammed together and hard to distinguish, so it would be better to switch to density plots.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by gorhill »

codeflo wrote: post #17

As someone who switches browsers about every six months, I feel that Firefox is still quite a bit behind in terms of stability and performance. I mostly blame the single-process model, which makes crashes and hangups way more global than they should be in 2014. On Windows, there's also the 32-bit issue. On machines with 8+ GB of RAM, having all tabs share a 2 GB address space just doesn't cut it. Especially when your…

> eats an additional 4 MB of this limited space per tab

Small technical correction: it's 4 MB per page + 4 MB per embedded frame on that page.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by BrandonM »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #79
pasiaj wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I do agree, there have been many signs that times they are a changin'

Please enumerate at least some of those signs.

A different user replied with a very comprehensive list that is now inexplicably deleted. It included a story about Google using its leverage to oust location services competitor SkyHook: http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook...

Edit: looks like they changed it to a top-level comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8186125

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by kristofferR »

FreakyT wrote: post #115

Firefox on Windows is nice, but on the Mac the UI feels just slightly off, presumably thanks to the XUL layer. Until they finally ditch XUL and just start doing native UIs, I suspect they'll always be playing catch up in the "feeling native" game. Here are a few examples: * Still no elastic scrolling, 3 entire years after that became the standard scroll behavior for all Mac apps (this started in Mac OS 10.7) * Still…

Elastic scrolling was actually activated for a while, but they disabled it since it caused performance issues (especially on retina screens) due to the way it was coded: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673875 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939480

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by e40 »

I was fully on the Chrome train. For a long time. It was a good ride, until I really started to suffer Chrome bugs. I would often find a huge discussion on the chrome google group, and sometimes the thread would be months old. It became clear to me that Google doesn't care about fixing bugs that affect users.

At the point that the bugs were interfering with my daily life, I switched to Firefox. There are a few extensions I miss, but overall, it's made my life better.

The only thing I really miss is the separation of tabs from each other, so that one tab can't bring down the entire browser. It is very rare, but I was visiting a site yesterday that did it. It was painful to wait until the UI would be responsive enough to kill the tab.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by myrryr »

stephenr wrote: post #151
romerro wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, that's just to deceive you. They still just want/need your attention and more of it every year on more surfaces. Online Media is way too profitable to "pivot" away from it :)

Can't reply lower. The idea that Google will somehow abandon it's current advertising/data mining business model is ridiculous. In 2013 Google's non-advertising revenue was less than 9% of their total revenue. For average people, the $0 price tag is one of the big appeals about Google's various services - of course those things are really just ways to acquire product (i.e. people) data/eyeballs. If you look at a lot…

I didn't say they were going to abandon it, I said I believed that the other parts of their business would grow bigger then the advertising part.

Yes, it is only around 9% now, but it used to be 0% and it is growing fast.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by [deleted] »

srean wrote: post #43

Almost every other comment that have been posted so far are complaining that FF tabs are not independent processes. Let me express my contrarian opinion. For my use case FF is just excellent and has served me well, I have absolutely no complains now. There was a time when FF leaked, and held a lot of memory, that time has since passed, at least seams so. I regularly keep several hundreds of tabs open for months on en…

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by stephenr »

myrryr wrote: post #122
stephenr wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is this meant to be a joke/sarcasm?

I can see what you are saying, but NACL is a big deal. It isn't ONLY c/c++ but any language that can compile with LLVM, which is almost every language. Think about it, new scripting languages, new compiled languages, anything language you care about. You want to write in Haskell? fine... do so, and have it run instead of javascript. This IS a big big deal. No language is perfect, so the ability to use any of them? It…

I don't need to "think about it", I've experienced the idea before, twice.

Do you remember Java Applets? Do you remember ActiveX controls? Do you remember Flash and/or Shockwave?

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