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USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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Now you only have to plug it in one time instead of three!

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That only works if

1. The cable has a logo.

2. You can see the logo.

3. The device and cable both conform to the standard.

4. The port is not vertical.

5. The device you are plugging in is not on it's side or upside down.

6. The user is sober and of a clear, calm mind.

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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Now you only have to plug it in one time instead of three!

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The USB ports on my computers aren't all oriented the same way (even on the same computer / motherboard), some USB peripherals are labeled on the "right" side some on the wrong. Sometimes even when you have it oriented the correct way, it doesn't always go in because you have it slightly cockeyed. Sometimes its dark and you can't see which way is up.

There are many reasons why single-sided (but not obviously sided) connections are hard to plug in and most of them don't have to do with the user being stupid.

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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Eyes should not be mandatory to operate a USB cable. I can think of no other consumer cable that requires me to stare at it while I plug it in.

Clearly you have not attempted to use an S-Video cable. :)

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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I'm not an apple fanboy - but I do really like their magsafe & iPad mini connectors (whatever those are called officially). One thing I really like is the lack of "sticky-out-bit" in the middle of the connector, which all USB sockets seem to have, and which always feels kind of unstable or weak to me. Is there a reason why all USB sockets - including these new diagrams - have a feeble looking centre part rather than…

The Lightning connector just seems so fragile to me. I haven't broken mine yet, but I have certainly seen a lot of broken ones on displays in stores. I can't say I've ever broken a USB connector. That said, there is something to be said for a reversible connector that doesn't require 3 rotations to plug in :)

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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> Is there a reason why all USB sockets - including these > new diagrams - have a feeble looking centre part rather > than it being part of the outer ring? The outer part is the RF shield. That increases reliability by protecting the low voltage (but high frequency) USB data signals from coupling to outside interference (50/60 hz stray emf from power lines, switching power supply noise, etc). The magsafe connectors a…

It seems like an RF shield on the male end is unnecessary. Apple's current iPhone connector does without it. I have no idea how they could see the lightning connector, then go and design a next gen standard that is across the board inferior. The Apple connector is sturdier, and has much more latitude for insertion angle. Surely Apple doesn't have a patent on a housing-less male plug. My guess is the housing serves mo…

Are you so sure that it is "across the board inferior"? I don't really know about the technical details, but the lightning connector is designed for pretty specific uses. Can it carry 10Gbps and 100W like this connector can? Perhaps the housing contributes to that ability.

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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> Is there a reason why all USB sockets - including these > new diagrams - have a feeble looking centre part rather > than it being part of the outer ring? The outer part is the RF shield. That increases reliability by protecting the low voltage (but high frequency) USB data signals from coupling to outside interference (50/60 hz stray emf from power lines, switching power supply noise, etc). The magsafe connectors a…

But what about the Lightning connectors on iPads and iPhones? They don't have that outside shield but they carry high speed signals.

The lightning connector is pretty cool isn't it? Apple figured out you could build the RF shield around the signal lines in a single planar unit. If you look at the original 30 pin connector they did, they used a very similar scheme to USB the shield around the outside of the connector, the signal lines on the inside in a separate piece.

I actually think it was the lightning connector that got the USB group to go back and look at their connector designs. The interesting bit about the shield on the lightning is the fairly tricky way they create an island in the middle of the shield and thread the signal lines through it. Makes for a more expensive cable I expect.

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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The USB ports on my computers aren't all oriented the same way (even on the same computer / motherboard), some USB peripherals are labeled on the "right" side some on the wrong. Sometimes even when you have it oriented the correct way, it doesn't always go in because you have it slightly cockeyed. Sometimes its dark and you can't see which way is up. There are many reasons why single-sided (but not obviously sided) c…

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Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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Oh joy, they still use that damn diving board design on the device side. I've broken 3 devices when that diving board breaks.

Really? How aggressively are you plugging in your USB cables?

It happens in any environment with a lot of vibration.

Re: USB 3.0 Promoter Group Announces USB Type-C Connector Ready for Production [pdf]

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We are all complete oafs.

My tablet port faces one direction, my phone the other... it is not that easy... I've also got cables that aren't clearly labelled on the micro side... When you're half asleep at the end of the day, it's not that great... I want to know why it took so long to come up with a reversible plug.
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