>Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. This implies that some sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders would be considered appropriate. If that's not the intended message, inappropriate should be replaced with something like 'any and all'. While I'm not in any startup circles at the moment I would be curious for some cl…
"This implies that some sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders would be considered appropriate." That's a stretch. I think most reasonable individuals reading the statement would conclude that "inappropriate" is an emphatic descriptor, and not a categorical divider.
A Reminder To Investors
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I'm curious what you mean by "so useful."
It's very simple, straightforward and unambiguous. No-one will be able to say "oh, I didn't realise" afterwards.
And just as technically it has been unacceptable in practice that won't change anything.
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#94>Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. This implies that some sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders would be considered appropriate. If that's not the intended message, inappropriate should be replaced with something like 'any and all'. While I'm not in any startup circles at the moment I would be curious for some cl…
Is it ever acceptable for an investor to pursue a romantic relationship with a founder? After the founder is funded (by another investor), for example. Or if the founder initiates? As a founder and MD of a company, quite simply, the answer is a bold NO. Most of the opposite gender population is outside your company (or pool of possible investments). If you feel the urge, fish there, not in the tiny pond which you hav…
That's not to say I disagree with you on your overall point. I just found that argument to be a little too dismissive of the reason one might be dating within their company or pool of possible investments.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correct: if your interactions with a founder are cabined by professional settings --- demo days, funding pitches, going for coffee to talk about their company --- romantic overtures are inappropriate. Similarly: if you're in process, at any stage, with a company, overtures to their founders are inappropriate.
It's important to understand WHY this is so: if you're an investor you are in a position of power over a founder. It is not possible in such a situation to make a romantic overture that is not tainted by the possibility that you are looking for a quid-pro-quo even if in fact you are not.
Even if 90% of the time that concern is unfounded, the mental effort you spend dealing with that exerts drag and hurts your performance. One of the things investors are grading you on is confidence!
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You know, I'm rather surprised that there hasn't/isn't a fund or group set up explicitly for that purpose--just being up front that yeah, there's tit-for-tat, if you want funding you may have to deal with this nonsense. I further wonder how close that would skirt the lines of laws against prostitution. I imagine such a thing would be amazingly toxic and hopefully collapse into a vortex of bad. EDIT: It's an offensive…
It sounds like your saying, "Why isn't there a VC firm that states outright you might be sexually harassed to receive funding" How are you possibly surprised that isn't a thing...? Of course it's not and never could or should be. You're comment is being down-voted because it's pretty ridiculous; the extremely low possibility(non-existant) coupled with the offensive nature of the concept as a whole makes it mind-boggl…
One of the big problems with unwanted romantic advances is that they can come unexpectedly: you're there to do a deal, and the other person is trying to find a way of getting in your pants; you give out your number for business, other person calls you with non-business propositions. It's stressful and annoying, especially with the power imbalance one sees with investment.
So, let's go ahead and start a firm (we'll tongue-in-cheek refer to it as SugarVC) whose deal to founders is straight up "We will fund you if you date us and/or return sexual favors". Let's assume all the contractual niceties are tied up clearly (hah) and in good faith (hah hah). What might we see from this?
First, sexual harassment changes somewhat, because if you're dealing with SugarVC you know what you're getting into...you're not going to give out phone numbers, for example, that you can't shut off.
Second, other investors know that a deal that didn't pan out or was passed over by SugarVC probably was because they didn't get a hookup out of it--not because of some inherent flaw in the business or numbers. In some ways, that's preferable to fixing the power imbalance because it could help limit reputational damage: failing to get funding at such a firm probably doesn't have the same network effects.
Third, you probably see that the people getting funded are more attractive than usual, not selected for business viability but for being a better catch/trophy (deplorable, but bear with me). That being the case, we see that pretty people get more/safer funding guarantees. The possible effect of that is you end up with CEOs who are more presentable in public (simply because they're more attractive) and hence have a marketing/networking advantage--the actual business stuff being handled by a firm appointee or suggested hire, if they're serious about their investment as well. Arguably, this is actually not a terrible deal, if you believe that sales/marketing/networking beats out product.
There are some other interesting ramifications of such a firm--so, let's not dismiss it out of hand.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like your saying, "Why isn't there a VC firm that states outright you might be sexually harassed to receive funding" How are you possibly surprised that isn't a thing...? Of course it's not and never could or should be. You're comment is being down-voted because it's pretty ridiculous; the extremely low possibility(non-existant) coupled with the offensive nature of the concept as a whole makes it mind-boggl…
So, let's actually explore the idea a bit, and you'll see that it actually is not completely worth dismissing outright. One of the big problems with unwanted romantic advances is that they can come unexpectedly: you're there to do a deal, and the other person is trying to find a way of getting in your pants; you give out your number for business, other person calls you with non-business propositions. It's stressful a…
Let's stipulate you just want to have an interesting intellectual conversation. Can we have it some other time?
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#98Such a simple thing to write, but so useful. Waiting excitedly to see who else will follow suit. Good call.
Sam Altman recently wrote[1], "Yes, it’s awful to hear the horror stories of wildly inappropriate behavior from investors to the entrepreneurs pitching them. (Unfortunately, stories like these are not super rare, but because there’s a big cost to going public with them, most never get told. My hope is that YC has enough leverage at this point to make it clear that this is unacceptable and we will not continue to work with investors who do it.)"
Today, Jessica Livingston writes, "Nearly all the investors we know are completely upstanding and professional, but even one inappropriate incident is too many."
Sam's statement implies that this behavior is more common than most folks would like to believe, and that Y Combinator is prepared to punish investors who engage in it. Jessica's statement subtly suggests that this behavior is less common, and that the vast majority of the investors Y Combinator works with are above engaging in it.
Which one is it?
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#99>Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. This implies that some sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders would be considered appropriate. If that's not the intended message, inappropriate should be replaced with something like 'any and all'. While I'm not in any startup circles at the moment I would be curious for some cl…
What if you choose not to invest, date a founder, and then start to consider funding another startup that is in the same cohort and close to the founder you are dating? There could be questions about what information you have that you shouldn't.
It's a full-stop "don't do it." There's too much potential to hurt and divide the community and lots of smart, attractive people outside of YC.