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Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

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What a horrible policy, it won't end well for them. http://www.yelp.com/biz/union-street-guest-house-hudson?sort... 10 negative Yelp reviews have been posted today (so far), ouch... http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g47931-d490934-Revie... Their website navigation is a very discrete image map in the middle of the page, http://www.unionstreetguesthouse.com/ obviously this was someone's first website. It's probab…

"It's probably not legal, if it is then it is unenforceable in court, even if it was in their terms contract. "

Could you explain why you believe this? The main issue i would see here would be liquidated damages issues, not something like SLAPP (at least in most states).

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#182

After reading this article, I'm surprised to see that the guest house still has a high rating on Yelp and Google+. Our immediate response should be to post negative reviews based on the revelation that none of the other reviews are trustworthy. EDIT: Yelp rating is no longer high, but there's still TripAdvisor and Google+.

No, posting reviews of a service you've never used because of something you read on the Internet five minutes ago is not OK.

One need not use a service to comment critically on their policies.

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#183
They appear to be backpedaling. From their Facebook page:

"The policy regarding wedding fines was put on our site as a tongue-in-cheek response to a wedding many years ago. It was meant to be taken down long ago and certainly was never enforced."

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union-Street-Guest-House/1175...

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through and read them all and they don't exactly seem "fake" in that the reviewer doesn't claim to have visited to the location. They are all complaining about the policies and attitude of the place, which can pretty well be gleaned from reading the policies on the site.

So you think it is valid to leave a 1 star review for a restaurant, because you don't like the menu posted in their website?

If I walked into a restaurant and the owner threatened to kick my ass if I posted a bad Yelp review and I decided to leave without eating, would I be qualified to write a review about their practices? I didn't eat at the restaurant. There was no business exchange.

I'm reviewing the business' policies and warning others of something I find distasteful. In your example, what if I read the online menu and found some fine-print stating they cook their french-frys in orphan tears? Maybe I find that distasteful and want to warn others of such a practice.

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misinterpreted my comment. Yes, it would be unacceptable to lie and say that we've all visited the hotel, but that's not what I'm advocating. I specifically said "based on the revelation that none of the other reviews are trustworthy." This isn't simply based on an article I've read. It's a public policy posted by the hotel. I'm suggesting that people comment on a public policy. No more, no less.

Your words: "Our immediate response should be to post negative reviews based on the revelation that none of the other reviews are trustworthy." You don't know anything about the quality of their online reviews. No, I mean it, you really don't: 5 minutes wasn't enough time for you to investigate this policy and see how long it's been in place. Perhaps this policy is brand new and hasn't affected any online reviews yet…

It's actually been there since at least 2013:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130301124243/http://www.unions...

Let 'em take the dings. An example must be made of this kind of anti-consumer behavior.

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#187

They appear to be backpedaling. From their Facebook page: "The policy regarding wedding fines was put on our site as a tongue-in-cheek response to a wedding many years ago. It was meant to be taken down long ago and certainly was never enforced." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union-Street-Guest-House/1175...

They may be trying to claim that, but they tried to use the policy to bully a guest into removing his review as recently as 11/21/2013: http://bit.ly/1nkV80v

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#189

Imagine if this ridiculous policy on their website is actually the result of a malicious hacking. Then the hacker sends pagesix.com an anonymous tip about the policy. Then the hacker posts the pagesix.com article on HN. Now, that would actually make a good story... [EDIT: Typo & Grammar]

Judging from this Yelp review from 2013 I don't think that is the case:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/union-street-guest-house-hudson?hrid...

Seems like they sent harassing emails to people who leave bad reviews letting them know they are going to charge the wedding host

Re: Hotel fines $500 for every bad review posted online

#190
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually kinda see where they're coming from. I'm sure they do get complaints from people who never stay anywhere besides upscale chain hotels. But obviously this is not the way to address the issue. It's mean and ultimately self-defeating.

Yes this is true, but this is the wrong way to do it. I have stayed at many places reviewed badly by people who just do not get it. Like I stayed at a wonderful rustic place in Maine [1] but there were quite a few reviews complaining about the rustic nature and giving them one star. As a human being I can then read these reviews and decide that the people rating it one star were expecting that this should have been s…

This is a general problem with reviews. If it’s written text it’s often possible to figure out whether a certain criticism is valid for you personally.

Some people are very sensitive to wait times, I’m just not at all. I can always discount all reviews complaining about wait times because there isn’t enough useful signal there. Sure, even I don’t want to wait three hours for my food, but most people seem to complain way before that and that’s just not relevant information to me.

Contrary, when people tell me what a great experience they had with the staff and that the owner came to their table and chatted with them I know I should probably avoid that restaurant because I just can’t stand any staff or owners acting like they are my best friends immediately.

So, sure, for written reviews it’s often possible to see whether a criticism is relevant for your own personal tastes, but all those review places also implement star ratings and those are used to display and filter the places you are shown in the first place. So you might not even see a place you like because it got bad ratings based on (completely valid, by the way, I’m not saying other people have to also be as tolerant of wait times as I am!) factors you personally don’t care about.

This affects other places as well, for example apps in app stores. I’m not sure how to solve this, to be honest, but that seems like a cool problem to tackle. I’m imagining Netflix-like personalised lists of restaurants or hotels you might like, not these dumb global star ratings.

Does this already exist somewhere? I feel like it should. Surely someone must have already tried that …

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