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Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by id »

me_bx wrote: post #133
id wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adblock Edge is 2.1.3 (June 12, 2014) Adblock Plus is 2.6.4 (July 22, 2014) I really want to use Adblock Edge instead of just unchecking the "Allow non-instrusive advertising" option, but I somehow doubt they have still the same features.

what feature is missing from Adblock edge?

You can actually compare them:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-edge/...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/...

I just prefer the "original" addon. There are a lot more differences than one small setting.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by martin56 »

y4mi wrote: post #123
mhaymo wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a private list: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads#list https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/exceptionrules.tx...

as wreegab pointed out earlier > So in fact there is really a public list and a private list it appears (through the x-adblock-key header), while the public list is presented as all there is to "acceptable ads". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8103119

No, there is no private list, it's just the public one. You can check out the key header whitelist here: http://cheme.com/ Visit this site with "Acceptable Ads" enabled and disabled and you will see the difference. Notice the "data-adblockkey" in the source. This was publically announced in their "Acceptable Ads proposal" forum here and later added to the public list: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17699

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by GhotiFish »

bowlofpetunias wrote: post #136
worklogin wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't mind unobtrusive ads to be whitelisted, were the man not charging money for the service. Ads aren't inherently "wrong". people tend to block ads because many are unsightly, bandwidth consuming, etc. Simple ads that don't have JS, don't have trackers, and blend with a site should be encouraged. But making beaucoup money on extortion payments is pretty bad.

There's no such thing as "unobtrusive ads". If they weren't obtrusive, they would be either decoration or information, not ads.

That's not true, you're equating how they have being practically implemented for their definition. There's nothing stopping ads from being useful and beneficial to society at large.

If I need computer repair services, then looking through advertisements for shops that can offer that service is not a detriment to me, or a distraction. The reason we block them is that they are being implemented in an antagonistic way. You can have a beneficial ad.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by bowlofpetunias »

Adblock Plus is malware. Period.

Besides blackmailing advertisers into whitelisting their ads for money, last year it added a "typo correction" feature that would intercept "mistyped" url's and redirect you to the correct one.

Except it blatantly redirected existing domains to that of competitors, and added referrer affiliate ID's to the URL so Palant could cash in.

Despite claims to the contrary, that "feature" was initially on by default. That is pure malware, it has nothing to do with blocking ads.

Palant is someone who's words should not be trusted. He's basically a successful malware blackmailer.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by martin56 »

wreegab wrote: post #59

I pretty much all agree with all of Wladimir Palant's post. But I also have one problem regarding Adblock Plus' "acceptable ads" openness. When I read about their "acceptable ads" approach, I am led to believe the "acceptable ads" list contains all the sites which are whitelisted for purpose of "acceptable ads". I am invited to consult the list to see for myself which sites qualify.[1] Problem is, many web sites are…

No, there is no private list. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8104070

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by ntumlin »

dudus wrote: post #138

Blocking ads is such a dick move. This should be made illegal. You are not entitled to change a website to your contempt and cut their main revenue source. If you want to use a website/app and it was made available with the Ad, then just suck it in or use a different one. To my eyes this is not very different than piracy. Where you use a software without paying for it's price. Advertising is the price you pay to use…

While I agree that ads are a good thing for the internet as a whole, I certainly have the right to change what my computer does and shows me. The idea of making it illegal to block ads and modify webpages locally is so absurd I can't wrap my head around it. I don't even see how that could be enforced.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by chmars »

radley wrote: post #107
heromat wrote: post #63

He surely just forgot to mention that Google allegedly payed 25 million € to Eyeo GmbH, the company behind Adblock Plus, in order to participate in the "acceptable ads" program, a "feature" which is turned on by default and allows users to "surf more comfortably". And that he is (or at least was) one of the directors. I'm most certain that there are people out there who would call this business model "blackmailing",…

AdBlock Plus sold out. Google's Sponsored features continue to be automatically white-listed as part of that deal, even when "acceptable ads" is not selected. You can't block them using Element Hiding Helper. AdBlock Edge is the only true ad blocker: http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1mcsko/adblock_edge...

I use Adblock Plus based on EasyList and I do not get any ads from Google. But that might be my custom configuration …

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by skriticos2 »

bowlofpetunias wrote: post #136
worklogin wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't mind unobtrusive ads to be whitelisted, were the man not charging money for the service. Ads aren't inherently "wrong". people tend to block ads because many are unsightly, bandwidth consuming, etc. Simple ads that don't have JS, don't have trackers, and blend with a site should be encouraged. But making beaucoup money on extortion payments is pretty bad.

There's no such thing as "unobtrusive ads". If they weren't obtrusive, they would be either decoration or information, not ads.

There are the ads that feel totally out of place and are animated near the text that make it unreadable. I call these obtrusive. And then there are the ads that kind of fall into place on the website and while they attempt to get your attention, they don't cause epileptic spasms and mostly can be scrolled out. I tend to accept the later ones on sites I frequent often so that they get a revenue for their effort. The earlier type makes the sites totally useless, so I fail to see the point in them.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by radley »

chmars wrote: post #147
radley wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AdBlock Plus sold out. Google's Sponsored features continue to be automatically white-listed as part of that deal, even when "acceptable ads" is not selected. You can't block them using Element Hiding Helper. AdBlock Edge is the only true ad blocker: http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1mcsko/adblock_edge...

I use Adblock Plus based on EasyList and I do not get any ads from Google. But that might be my custom configuration …

Not ads - Sponsored listings. A good example is the YouTube video feed; the first video is usually a Sponsored video. I wouldn't care so much except they're usually link bait videos with hot girls or people getting hurt in "funny" ways. Don't want.

EasyList and other filter sets work on most AdBlock versions. I also use the social filters to speed up page load since most pages are waiting on Facebook, Pinterest, Twitter, etc auth & cookies before they can finish displaying.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by wreegab »

martin56 wrote: post #142
y4mi wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as wreegab pointed out earlier > So in fact there is really a public list and a private list it appears (through the x-adblock-key header), while the public list is presented as all there is to "acceptable ads". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8103119

No, there is no private list, it's just the public one. You can check out the key header whitelist here: http://cheme.com/ Visit this site with "Acceptable Ads" enabled and disabled and you will see the difference. Notice the "data-adblockkey" in the source. This was publically announced in their "Acceptable Ads proposal" forum here and later added to the public list: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&…

> Visit this site with "Acceptable Ads" enabled and disabled and you will see the difference

Nowwhere did I say pages with the x-adblock-key were not respecting the "Acceptable ads" setting.

I said that there are more whitelisted sites than just what is presented as the only list in the section titled "How can I see what you are allowing?" on ABP's reference page regarding "acceptable ads" [1].

[1] https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads#list

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