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Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by gambiting »

modzoo wrote: post #46

THE POINT OF THE AD BLOCKER IS TO BLOCK ADS. ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THE AUTHORS OF BOTH ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS. its like supplying weapons to both sides of a war. and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap. i have a couple of businesses and apps and make a profit because people value them and value the support i provide for them and recommend them. kind of like why hackernews works -- its legit recommendations, not s…

>>and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap

I imagine you must have never ever used a google product then?

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by sliverstorm »

valarauca1 wrote: post #29
nkozyra wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that they're not blocking all ads, but they're blocking ads of poor quality, are overtly disruptive (ostensibly the name of the game in advertising) or are potentially harmful to users. Which is why you can opt in/out of things like Google Adwords.

They aren't is the problem. Adblock Plus has created a group of 'guide lines', companies who agree to follow their guide lines will have their ad's hosted. The problem is every company does not want to work directly the Adblock Plus. So a company (Pagefair) created adblock plus get around as a service , where if you work with them they get your ads around adblock by registering with Pagefair and adblock plus signing…

Presumably if Pagefair, in their role as curator, allows too many shitty ads under their wing then Adblock Plus will block Pagefair, and pretty much destroy their business. They do have an incentive.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by heromat »

He surely just forgot to mention that Google allegedly payed 25 million € to Eyeo GmbH, the company behind Adblock Plus, in order to participate in the "acceptable ads" program, a "feature" which is turned on by default and allows users to "surf more comfortably". And that he is (or at least was) one of the directors.

I'm most certain that there are people out there who would call this business model "blackmailing", but I could also be wrong.

Source (in german): http://www.welt.de/wall-street-journal/article124441049/Goog...

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by jobu »

sogen wrote: post #2

I'm loving ublock https://github.com/gorhill/ublock

That looks pretty interesting, but Holy Options Batman! There are almost 50 filter lists plus a bunch of other settings.

Thanks for recommending this - looks a little less shady than some of the AdBlock variants.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by webwanderings »

aen0 wrote: post #11
beaumartinez wrote: post #5

I've posted this on previous ad blocking threads, and I'll post it again because I think it's very relevant— > "Adblock without the plus" isn't the original Adblock (from which Adblock Plus was forked), it's an extension created for Google Chrome once Google Chrome enabled support for extensions. Very disingenuous name. It piggy-backed on the work already done for Adblock Plus (for Firefox). > Adblock Plus for Google…

I highly recommends HTTPS Switchboard or uBlock (same author). They are both faster and better than any Adblocker out there.

Giving ublock a try. Going to turn off Adblock Plus while I run it. Will see how it goes.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by modzoo »

ryandvm wrote: post #56
modzoo wrote: post #46

THE POINT OF THE AD BLOCKER IS TO BLOCK ADS. ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THE AUTHORS OF BOTH ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS. its like supplying weapons to both sides of a war. and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap. i have a couple of businesses and apps and make a profit because people value them and value the support i provide for them and recommend them. kind of like why hackernews works -- its legit recommendations, not s…

I wouldn't go as far as to say "the internet needs ads", but clearly if you're running an ad blocker, the sites you visit do need ads. Ad blocking is textbook prisoner's dilemma. As long as it's only being done by a minority, it's no big deal - but if we all do it, we're fucked.

i was harsh.. i do in fact know some people who depend on ad revenue to keep servers running. but ads on the internet are generally out of control and i think its a huge bubble, even the ad revenue that my friends rely on is just garbage that i would never want anybody to click on...

anyway the main point stands - if you publish an ad blocker it should block ads.

suddenly a simple concept gets really complicated when there is an "application process" and set of "criteria" by which ads can be whitelisted -- who defines this criteria? is it always published? am i donating to a project that is actually commercially supported? etc

also was anybody else confused by this (from https://adblockplus.org/blog/acceptable-ads-by-the-numbers):

"Over 50 percent [of applicants] rejected because ads not acceptable.

In all, we accepted only 9.5 percent of applicants."

That math seems weird...

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by alphakappa »

modzoo wrote: post #46

THE POINT OF THE AD BLOCKER IS TO BLOCK ADS. ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THE AUTHORS OF BOTH ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS. its like supplying weapons to both sides of a war. and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap. i have a couple of businesses and apps and make a profit because people value them and value the support i provide for them and recommend them. kind of like why hackernews works -- its legit recommendations, not s…

How exactly would a website like reddit monetize itself without ads? Donations?

Or for that matter, how would HackerNews itself exist (without a YC parent) if getting users to subscribe was not an option?

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by modzoo »

gambiting wrote: post #61
modzoo wrote: post #46

THE POINT OF THE AD BLOCKER IS TO BLOCK ADS. ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THE AUTHORS OF BOTH ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS. its like supplying weapons to both sides of a war. and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap. i have a couple of businesses and apps and make a profit because people value them and value the support i provide for them and recommend them. kind of like why hackernews works -- its legit recommendations, not s…

>>and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap I imagine you must have never ever used a google product then?

perfect case in point. generating all this revenue for google based on basically tricking and redirecting old people into shit they dont need. i think ads are easy and successful and wrong. you cant imagine any other way to pull off popular internet services without ads? shit son

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by seanp2k2 »

leephillips wrote: post #4

Privoxy.

I run privoxy locally on OSX and I like that it runs in a separate process (AB+ with a few dozen tabs open really sucks up RAM) and blocks ads on other things too (twitter clients come to mind) when set up as a system proxy. It's not the most straightforward thing to configure, but once you figure it out it's pretty great. I've never seen it donk up my pages like some of the old proxies used to; this stuff has come a long way in the past decade.

There are also a few scripts around that will fetch AB+-format lists and convert them into privoxy lists. Here's a decent intro: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/privoxy

Also https://hackage.haskell.org/package/adblock2privoxy

On a router: http://blog.vanutsteen.nl/2014/01/05/installing-privoxy-with...

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