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Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by mhaymo »

modzoo wrote: post #66
ryandvm wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "the internet needs ads", but clearly if you're running an ad blocker, the sites you visit do need ads. Ad blocking is textbook prisoner's dilemma. As long as it's only being done by a minority, it's no big deal - but if we all do it, we're fucked.

i was harsh.. i do in fact know some people who depend on ad revenue to keep servers running. but ads on the internet are generally out of control and i think its a huge bubble, even the ad revenue that my friends rely on is just garbage that i would never want anybody to click on... anyway the main point stands - if you publish an ad blocker it should block ads. suddenly a simple concept gets really complicated when…

> who defines this criteria? is it always published?

The ABP developers define and publish them here: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads#criteria

The "acceptable ads" whitelist is accessible here: https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/exceptionrules.tx...

> That math seems weird...

From the page you linked: The actual acceptance rate is only 9.5 percent – there are a good amount of fake applications or communication breakdowns that account for this discrepancy.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by bruceb »

modzoo wrote: post #72
alphakappa wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly would a website like reddit monetize itself without ads? Donations? Or for that matter, how would HackerNews itself exist (without a YC parent) if getting users to subscribe was not an option?

but my point is that hackernews does survive. its not a pipedream

HN survives because it is a tool to recruit high quality people/teams to YC. There have been articles saying YC is worth $1billion so running HN with no revenue is worth it.

Saying all sites can follow this model is not feasible.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by cdr »

heromat wrote: post #63

He surely just forgot to mention that Google allegedly payed 25 million € to Eyeo GmbH, the company behind Adblock Plus, in order to participate in the "acceptable ads" program, a "feature" which is turned on by default and allows users to "surf more comfortably". And that he is (or at least was) one of the directors. I'm most certain that there are people out there who would call this business model "blackmailing",…

Corrupt, yes, but blackmail isn't quite right. More like private security offering to look the other way if you can pay enough to make it worth their while.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by lanstein »

lmm wrote: post #58
616c wrote: post #31

If people prefer more extreme solutions: I eventually moved to Conkeror (think Firefox, but with Emacs bindings and Emacs-like extension via javascript; I know cue the egg throwing). I was looking at other browsers to replace Firefox, as I got sick of it, and I picked Conkeror. Conkeror has a neat little feature called content-policy. I can block kinds of crap per session or site (Flash, JS, Fonts, Object tags, Image…

That's a really unfortunate name for a browser given that Konqueror already exists (and is a really good, underappreciated browser).

More on this: "At the heart of Konqueror is the KHTML rendering engine (which was chosen by Apple to create WebKit, which today forms the basis for modern browsers like Safari and Chrome)."

http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by batmansbelt »

pcvarmint wrote: post #81
616c wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha. Well if you check out the wiki I think it was not intentional (they name it after a local beer IIRC).

http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/crouch-vale-conkeror/18056/

Oh God, I love beer! Great name!

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by gorhill »

webwanderings wrote: post #73
beaumartinez wrote: post #5

I've posted this on previous ad blocking threads, and I'll post it again because I think it's very relevant— > "Adblock without the plus" isn't the original Adblock (from which Adblock Plus was forked), it's an extension created for Google Chrome once Google Chrome enabled support for extensions. Very disingenuous name. It piggy-backed on the work already done for Adblock Plus (for Firefox). > Adblock Plus for Google…

Has anyone here replaced Adblock+ and Ghostery with only uBlock? I'd prefer least minimum extensions when possible. Does uBlock provides what Ghostery does? Or do I have to get SwitchBoard to have the Ghostery alternative?

I run benchmarks to drive development. So you may want to look once in a while at that page:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/%C2%B5Block-and-other...

The raw data is published at the top as a spreadsheet, and from it you could see what one blocks that another didn't block or vice versa.

So using the raw data of the latest benchmark, here is the diff:

http://www.diffchecker.com/ibszp9gf

Of course, this is for the lists and settings used for the benchmark. More lists can be selected, and settings adjusted one way or another.

Edit: Just to clarify, this shows what was not blocked.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by fournm »

conesus wrote: post #87

Adblock is the #1 culprit for bugs on NewsBlur. I get at least one report a day where some functionality is broken (sharing stories, saving stories, loading a user's feed list, etc). First thing I do now is ask them to disable Adblock. Doesn't even matter if they've told me if they have Adblock installed. I just assume if some random functionality is broken on my single-page site, it's Adblock's fault. I suppose I sh…

It hadn't even occurred to me that it might be causing my issues (minor annoyances so I didn't even think to report them, as a pentadactyl and vimium user I'm used to stuff randomly breaking).

I'll have to remember to disable it on newsblur.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by freehunter »

jafaku wrote: post #88
beaumartinez wrote: post #5

I've posted this on previous ad blocking threads, and I'll post it again because I think it's very relevant— > "Adblock without the plus" isn't the original Adblock (from which Adblock Plus was forked), it's an extension created for Google Chrome once Google Chrome enabled support for extensions. Very disingenuous name. It piggy-backed on the work already done for Adblock Plus (for Firefox). > Adblock Plus for Google…

But HTTPSB is only for Chrome? If so, meh.

Yeah, why would I go through all the effort to block advertising, tracking, and other ways of monitoring what I'm doing and then after all of that, use Chrome? I don't try to hide myself from Facebook then make a post about it on my friend's wall...

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by ntaso »

heromat wrote: post #63

He surely just forgot to mention that Google allegedly payed 25 million € to Eyeo GmbH, the company behind Adblock Plus, in order to participate in the "acceptable ads" program, a "feature" which is turned on by default and allows users to "surf more comfortably". And that he is (or at least was) one of the directors. I'm most certain that there are people out there who would call this business model "blackmailing",…

Story behind it:

AdBlock Plus is installed on an extremely large sum of devices in Germany. I read somewhere close to 25% with non-technical users (!) and 50% among technical users.

What they basically did is to approach companies like newspapers (Spiegel Online) and told them: Look, if you pay $LARGE_SUM, we will whitelist you. Otherwise, since 25-50% of Germans use our software, your advertisement won't make you much money.

I'm not a law expert and I guess technically, it isn't called blackmailing, but then it is, sort of. It's a dark-grey zone which discriminates against smaller companies that can't afford to pay and heck, who gives Eyeo the right to decide over the business models of other websites?

If nobody was shown ads, then all would be in the same boat again. But this way, there's a privileged class of companies that may have ads enabled.

Re: Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?

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Post by [deleted] »

cdr wrote: post #93
heromat wrote: post #63

He surely just forgot to mention that Google allegedly payed 25 million € to Eyeo GmbH, the company behind Adblock Plus, in order to participate in the "acceptable ads" program, a "feature" which is turned on by default and allows users to "surf more comfortably". And that he is (or at least was) one of the directors. I'm most certain that there are people out there who would call this business model "blackmailing",…

Corrupt, yes, but blackmail isn't quite right. More like private security offering to look the other way if you can pay enough to make it worth their while.

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