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Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by supercoder »

yeukhon wrote: post #9

Just spend 1 minute doing sit-up, push-up, move your hands, feet and your neck slowly every morning always make my day better if I can't afford to jog for 30 minutes in a park. If you do jog, try to find a park (I usually do it in a park with basketball court so I can run in a square). I get the sunlight and the fresh air. Avoid the gym unless you are going to do weight-lifting.

1 minute of sit ups or push ups isn't going to be very effective.

Jogging is great in a park, but for a lot of people a lot of the time it's not practical because of either the weather (running isn't great fun in the rain / snow) or safety (some people can only find time to run after dark and for women that isn't sometimes safe).

So it's bad advice to say avoid the gym, as people should be finding any opportunity to exercise, not more excuses / rules to tell them not to.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by glibgil »

omegant wrote: post #17

There are several problems with this kind of studies: -Almost all kind of exercise will improve all markers in sedentary, not trained people. -We all look for miracle solutions, but if you really want to improve it´ll take some time and long term commitment. -Interval training works, but it´s currently sold as the solution for all the fitness problem. It has it´s own problems dough. Some of this problems are: +Lack o…

Your arguments are the conventional wisdom, but do the statistics support this? Stretching was once thought to be a good way to reduce risk of injury. It was a big part of the conventional wisdom. It isn't that simple, however, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1250267/.

I think a good study would be to track people through something like their first 60 cumulative minutes of exercise after no exercise for, say, 6 months. If that 60 minutes happens in one hour or spread out over a week, is there any significant change in risk? If it is aggressive or gentle, is there any change in risk? This should be studied and verified. If it has, let me know.

I think we should treat all risks like the lottery or keno. Every time you play, your odds reset. This should be the conventional wisdom in all things.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by glibgil »

jqm wrote: post #11
jqm wrote: post #2

I hope this article gets some attention. I have felt a lot better from high intensity training. Much much better than half hour long slogs on the treadmill. I really believe it is the best for general cardiovascular fitness.

The idea is that your heart and lungs (probably specifically heart in my case) are getting a workout. In this case we aren't concerned with abs, legs, biceps or any other muscles except the ones involved with cardio. We want to isolate and push these in intervals the same way a body builder might his triceps with isolation and reps. (The lungs and heart are muscles too... sometimes people forget this). My version goe…

I've been thinking of try something like this. The way I thought about it was to only run a five minute mile. My plan is to go to the track and sprint for as long as I can at a five minute mile pace. When I drop below that pace, I walk until I return to walking heart rate. Then I run at a five minute mile pace. The workout ends when I have run a cumulative mile at a five minute mile pace. I figure the workout will take about 20 minutes.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by glibgil »

supercoder wrote: post #21
yeukhon wrote: post #9

Just spend 1 minute doing sit-up, push-up, move your hands, feet and your neck slowly every morning always make my day better if I can't afford to jog for 30 minutes in a park. If you do jog, try to find a park (I usually do it in a park with basketball court so I can run in a square). I get the sunlight and the fresh air. Avoid the gym unless you are going to do weight-lifting.

1 minute of sit ups or push ups isn't going to be very effective. Jogging is great in a park, but for a lot of people a lot of the time it's not practical because of either the weather (running isn't great fun in the rain / snow) or safety (some people can only find time to run after dark and for women that isn't sometimes safe). So it's bad advice to say avoid the gym, as people should be finding any opportunity to…

One minute of sit-ups or push ups will be very effective. My mother gets covered with aches and pains anytime she drags a rolling suitcase through the airport because it is the only time she articulates her body. Even a few push-ups, daily, would give her a massive improvement.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by yeukhon »

supercoder wrote: post #21
yeukhon wrote: post #9

Just spend 1 minute doing sit-up, push-up, move your hands, feet and your neck slowly every morning always make my day better if I can't afford to jog for 30 minutes in a park. If you do jog, try to find a park (I usually do it in a park with basketball court so I can run in a square). I get the sunlight and the fresh air. Avoid the gym unless you are going to do weight-lifting.

1 minute of sit ups or push ups isn't going to be very effective. Jogging is great in a park, but for a lot of people a lot of the time it's not practical because of either the weather (running isn't great fun in the rain / snow) or safety (some people can only find time to run after dark and for women that isn't sometimes safe). So it's bad advice to say avoid the gym, as people should be finding any opportunity to…

Hmm yes you are right. I should be more careful with the tone. Yes, I was merely suggesting if all possible, try outdoor instead of indoor.

The point of sit ups and push ups is so you can stretch your body after you wake up. I have back problem and it helps if I stretch a little every day. For many of us here on HN, sitting down on a chair for several hours straight is typical and thus any body stretching is very effective. Both are pretty exhaust exercise.

For elders, one of their priority is to ensure bones are strong. They can drink milk, but in addition, outdoor (sunlight) and careful body stretching are necessary.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by melling »

mtdewcmu wrote: post #20

I am skeptical of the widely-held view that induced exercise extends lifespan. To my knowledge, there has been no study that demonstrates the effect that could be considered definitive. The physiological mechanism seems like wishful thinking. Reducing resting blood pressure is undoubtedly a good thing. But to lower resting blood pressure through exercise, your blood pressure has to be increased during exercise. So yo…

You sound like you're just having some sort of pointless thought experiment. We don't know if exercise will extend ones life. It might reduce, increase or have no effect on our life span. We simply don't know. What we really need to figure out is how to better measure changes in our bodies. What's going on in our cells, for example? How can we better measure everything about our bodies?

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by philsnow »

jqm wrote: post #11
jqm wrote: post #2

I hope this article gets some attention. I have felt a lot better from high intensity training. Much much better than half hour long slogs on the treadmill. I really believe it is the best for general cardiovascular fitness.

The idea is that your heart and lungs (probably specifically heart in my case) are getting a workout. In this case we aren't concerned with abs, legs, biceps or any other muscles except the ones involved with cardio. We want to isolate and push these in intervals the same way a body builder might his triceps with isolation and reps. (The lungs and heart are muscles too... sometimes people forget this). My version goe…

thanks for sharing your experience

> The lungs and heart are muscles too... sometimes people forget this

... are there really muscles in the lungs ? and is the diaphragm a muscle that benefits from training ?

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by mtdewcmu »

melling wrote: post #26
mtdewcmu wrote: post #20

I am skeptical of the widely-held view that induced exercise extends lifespan. To my knowledge, there has been no study that demonstrates the effect that could be considered definitive. The physiological mechanism seems like wishful thinking. Reducing resting blood pressure is undoubtedly a good thing. But to lower resting blood pressure through exercise, your blood pressure has to be increased during exercise. So yo…

You sound like you're just having some sort of pointless thought experiment. We don't know if exercise will extend ones life. It might reduce, increase or have no effect on our life span. We simply don't know. What we really need to figure out is how to better measure changes in our bodies. What's going on in our cells, for example? How can we better measure everything about our bodies?

>> We simply don't know.

Exactly. We dont, but exercise studies are not treated with sufficient skepticism, as if the life-extending effect is so obviously logical that it's exempt from criticism. My thought experiment was meant to show that it's hardly obvious. Strange, but scientists seem to need reminding.

Re: Repeated six-second bursts of exercise 'can transform health'

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Post by jqm »

philsnow wrote: post #27
jqm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is that your heart and lungs (probably specifically heart in my case) are getting a workout. In this case we aren't concerned with abs, legs, biceps or any other muscles except the ones involved with cardio. We want to isolate and push these in intervals the same way a body builder might his triceps with isolation and reps. (The lungs and heart are muscles too... sometimes people forget this). My version goe…

thanks for sharing your experience > The lungs and heart are muscles too... sometimes people forget this ... are there really muscles in the lungs ? and is the diaphragm a muscle that benefits from training ?

Good point. I don't know that the lungs are technically muscles (probably they aren't...I'm not going to cheat and look it up until later).

But for this purpose they behave enough like muscles... i.e., they seem to grow stronger. Or maybe it is indeed muscles like the diagram being strengthened. Perhaps someone with a bit more actual physiology knowledge can answer.

Edit: Also, I forgot to mention, I do this twice a week and sometimes thrice a week, with off periods of a few months every 5-6 months or so. I've been doing HIIT in periods for 3-4 years since I first read about and I'm a believer. Big change.

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