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Tease what apart?
An anonymous woman in tech is not the same as a woman publicly writing about her perspective on women in tech. Change "woman in tech" to something like support for/against gay marriage. I may have my own opinion, but once I voice it, I'm a target.
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It seems likely, but the whole point of censoring extreme comments is to make those commenters an out group. Comment filtering would have edge cases, just like spam and porn filtering does. Do the dangers outweigh the value of pushing people who speak like this into an out group?
I don't know how you interpreted Torgo's comment as worrying that inappropriate/extreme comments would be treated as an out-group. He/she said that he/she suspects that human-rating of comments would be based more on their (dis)agreement with the popular view (particularly on controversial topics) as opposed to the extremeness/inappropriateness of the content. There's a massive difference between a comment being 100%…
If what you're excluding is political speech of a sort, then someone is going to be able to accuse the system of censorship, no matter where the line is drawn. It's inherent in the system's goals.
Personally, I think that's a point where any system is going to be rightfully challenged and examined critically, but I think it's still worth doing on a greater good basis. Spam filtering works, it makes my inbox a more tolerable place. It's a good idea to extend it to other types of crappy speech that makes other peoples' lives worse.
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I disagree - maybe because I only perceive speech as "offensive" if it's directly insulting to a targeted person - which impersonal jokes (whether "dick jokes" or any other jokes) are not. In any case, I would rather err on the side of freedom, allow most communications (except insults, secrets, and whatever is illegal, such as hate speech), and rely on people to proactively say they are uncomfortable with something.…
Have you ever asked the people who might be targeted by those jokes (women, minorities, etc.) if they feel comfortable with them? Keep in mind a joke about someone "like you" is easy to read as a comment about you.
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That's not what she said. She described a number of situations. None of them involved coworkers at all. Where are you getting this from?
That's not what I said either. I said: "sometimes it feels like a woman-in-tech's workday must go something like this according to the articles I see" How was this article titled? It didn't say "online harassment of female authors in the gaming industry" which is what it is actually about. The title tried to lump in every woman in the gaming industry, a common tactic. So I get to make my own generalizations just as w…
I think you're reading too much into her tone. The key point is that no skin is thick enough to shrug off this treatment, and it's common for various unidentified women and one identified one in the industry to receive it from the general public. Do you think that's true, or not?
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> I really have no preference as far as kids go, it's just that when I read articles like this, the idea of having a daughter seems terrifying. This is like the tech equivalent of suburbanites who never go to the city because of all the news reports of murders they see on the nightly news. These outlets take a serious but infrequent problem and exaggerate it into an epidemic for the eyeballs (and hence, ad revenue).
You are not wrong, but I would like to talk to a father who's NOT concerned about that stuff. Just because reality differs from my mental model does not mean that my brain will automatically say "Oh, the odds are overwhelmingly against this, I'll just ignore it." ;)
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> ... "Damn, she's accomplished and brilliant" like I do when I see a photo of Robert Downey Jr or Idris Elba or Benedict Cumberbatch. That's weird. When I see them I think they are good (or at least interestingly) looking and have pleasant voices. I would never think of them as brilliant or accomplished (even though I know they are) because they do something I have no idea about. Just the same when I saw worlds best…
An attempt at a more useful response than logfromblammo's "because feminism" answer. There's a couple things that probably rate a down vote in some people's minds: - "I would never think of them as brilliant or accomplished (even though I know they are) because they do something I have no idea about. Just the same when I saw worlds best CEO, lawyer, window cleaner, bus driver, mercenary or whoever. I have no idea and…
This is a blatant twisting of his words. Women are even less represented in tech management than they are in other tech roles, and throwing in a few roles that he didn't mention at all doesn't change the fact that the one role he _was_ talking about (management) contradicts your narrative 100%.
> I lead a development studio that makes games. Sometimes, I write about issues in the games industry that relate to the equality of women. My reward is that I regularly have men threatening to rape and commit acts of violence against me. My suspicion is that she is not threatened because she leads a development studio, but because she is a writer. She's not asking for it, but she is making herself a public figure an…
it's rather bizarre that you managed to transform this story into something about men when the article is pretty clearly about the uniquely violent verbal abuse women are subject to in the tech sector.
Why can't we get any sensible articles about this problem? Do they just not get any attention on aggregation sites? Call this "victim blaming" if you want, but I'm going to critique the article because it's bad. I'm not commenting on any of the surrounding events because, honestly, claiming you've been harassed in the past doesn't excuse bad journalism - She starts the article by alienating her intended audience: Lea…
Even if they're just outliers, they deserve the right to let their situation be known. You're pretty close to "you didn't communicate according to my standards, so I'm going to ignore you". How do you know your complaints about style aren't an excuse to avoid confronting the problem? Not saying you are, but for my part, even if they do it imperfectly, I will listen, I don't want my kids to grow up in world where this…
Because I would have the same complaints regardless of the subject. Not all opinions deserve equal consideration and you have a burden of proof when trying to convince your reader of something. If anything, I gave this article more attention than I normally would have because I sincerely want properly condensed information about the topic and I haven't found it.
> I don't want my kids to grow up in world where this kind of things gets ignored
I want my children to understand perspective. You can't grieve for every individual injustice in the world, you can only strive to make it better overall.
What should a game studio to do counter this and make its employees safe from it?
Protip: Form an all-female software company. Gender-discriminatory hiring practices don't apply to small companies. See Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e and following). Title VII applies to employers that fit into the following categories: private employers with at least 15 employees. 14 Women can get together and not hire any men if they want. They can make software for women and get rich a…
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> I think the over-sexualization of women in games and in other places often makes men think with their penises instead of their brains. Why do you think so? Personally, I think it's the other way around - the cause is that people (not just men) respond better to "shallow" things - i.e. pretty things/landscapes/photos/people, which is why marketers/companies create things that are pretty. If your target audience is m…
You're right, this absolutely goes two ways. And, honestly, I really do like pretty women. But it bothers me a lot that most of the advertisements I see for games on the web today feature almost nothing but scantily clad women with large bosoms. I want people to play games because they are amazing, because they have great concepts, and have been wonderfully executed. I don't want people to play games because they hav…