Is it possible uber paid for this story? It seems to promote uber more than one would expect. (After joining r/hailcorporate on reddit I'm seeing this stuff everywhere...)
Perhaps they're downvoting too ...
My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
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Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't the nuremberg trials teach people that 'just doing their jobs' does not exempt them from ethical decisions? So you have a shitty job. That doesn't mean you need to be a shitty person, prioritizing victimless crimes over actual crimes.
Did you just compare massive genocide to a police officer being rude?
Where do you draw the line? If your job is to slap people, or just verbally abuse them, throw smaller stones at them all day, it's okay, because it's not genocide?
It's tiring to do the good thing, it's possibly impossible for every human, then some are put on 24-hour shifts, and some are even aware of their limit in this regard. Then the argument becomes "but he needs the money". And this is the same moral issue (like when doctors are on-call after a full day shift and do 30+ hours and suprise-suprise errors start to happen, when we overburden bureucrats, judges and other public servants and they start to fail on diligence) that should be addressed by society.
Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
#83As a passenger you are not required to produce identification unless the officer has probable cause that you have committed another crime (i.e. not wearing a seatbelt): http://www.patc.com/enewsletter/legal-answers/2-apr08.shtml It's always best to avoid any discussion with law enforcement, even if you have nothing to hide.
This is incorrect. The article you cited refers to an 8th Circuit case which does not apply to Colorado (which is in the 10th Circuit) or any state outside that circuit. It is important to note what happened with the author of this article is known as a Terry Stop. Terry Stops are brought about by reasonable suspicion which is a much lesser standard than probable cause and they must end once the basis of the reasonable suspicion is denied.
The Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004) upheld a Nevada statue which required anyone detained during a Terry Stop to comply with a demand for identification. Colorado has a statute similar to Nevada's which allows an officer to "request" identification rather than compel. However a failure to produce identification most likely would not deny the basis of the officer's reasonable suspicion may cause the individual detained to run afoul of other laws like obstruction. This is an unsettled area of law in many states so there is no hard and fast rule for what happens when a person refuses to identify themselves nationally.
Nevertheless in this case the officer seems to have specifically detained the author under the reasonable suspicion that he solicited an illegal vehicle for hire. Once the passenger told him that he was in an Uber cab (a lawfully hired vehicle in Colorado) the basis for that suspicion was denied and the author should have no longer have been detained or asked for personal identification.
Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
#84Here's a better headline: "My Uber gor pulled over by the Denver Police, and the officer mistakenly told us Uber is illegal." Maybe not so many clicks that way, though. I agree that this was a rather unfortunate and odd experience, but I don't see what the big deal is. The only thing that struck me as "really weird" about this is that the author called a Denver Post reporter to get live legal information while he was…
I don't think the officer was in the wrong here. The law had changed, but he acted on something that was still illegal under the new law: not having commercial insurance. He was right, the Uber driver was violating the law. Its to his credit that he resolved the uncertainty, in the moment, in their favor. That is actually a public interest issue. If an Uber driver hits you, and his personal car insurance doesn't cove…
UberX drivers have commercial insurance according to this: http://blog.uber.com/uberXridesharinginsurance
Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but turning down a police officer's request for information is a good way to encourage him to find something illegal about what you're doing. There's a law that isn't on any books but is the easiest way to get in trouble by breaking it: Contempt of Cop.
Fear of this kind of abuse is why everyone should know and exercise their rights in all interactions with law enforcement. If 90+% of people weren't willing to be pushed around, the cops would be forced to learn their legal limitations.
Okay, that's true, but how do people get out of the current dynamics where starting to exercise your rights to their fullest is instantly seen as suspicious and hostile behavior? Do you have a plan that works in marginal increments?
Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird
#86This (re-)post was killed by user flags.