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Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #75

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There are plenty of Russian soldiers that crossed the border already.

Putin himself has crossed border already. I think it is best for me to leave this little Intellectual Curiosity Club.

You filled your quota for the day?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#102

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Let me spell it out for you then - Ukraine had no interest in shooting down it's own cargo plane. Russia would not likely risk firing a missile from within it's own territory. Who does that leave us? Maybe the people who claim ownership of the space, have the means, and are tweeting about their supposed AN-26 shootdowns? If this is trolling, it's bad trolling.

> Ukraine had no interest in shooting down it's own cargo plane. Cargo -- no. MA plane -- very much. Their so-called ATO (in reality, genocide) failed just recently. Some of their troops were surrounded at UA-RU border by rebels, they are desorganised, some are fleeing into Russia even. At this point Kiev needs something.

and shooting down civilian plane helps them how?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#104

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> Are war crimes what 'right to be forgotten' is all about? Of course not. I think OP is just pointing out that there are pros and cons. OTOH, if I were leading a technologically sophisticated country to war and had the ability, I might look for ways to make my opponent look bad- say, by posting to internet forums using their hacked accounts- and trust that the internet would not forget.

And how exactly would you get the video of the plane being shot down? The stupidity of the rebels is explanation enough.

I'm certainly not saying this was a fake post. Though it's possible, I guess. I'm just saying that the internet is a tool of war. And for those purposes, it's helpful that information can become rapidly-propagated Truth.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#105
post #81
post #74

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Insert suggestion of false-flag operation in 3, 2, 1...

Well, if there hadn't been any apparent false flag operations in recent times that _would be a ridiculous thing to suggest. As it is, who knows? Sites can be hacked, that we know. And we know some parties have continued interest in stirring up trouble in the region. Was it a false flag operation? Probably not. But if we see a party trying to take advantage of the situation, or escalate conflict over the situation, it…

Accusations of false flag this early are just a smokescreen, someone trying to muddy the waters due to political sympathies - until someone takes advantage of the situation, one can't reasonably claim false flag without sounding like a loon. I'm not saying false flag doesn't or can't happen, just that you at least need to have a bit more information come to light before you can take it seriously as an option, and you need to see how those with a lot to gain take advantage of the event.

Hell, saying Ukraine did this as false flag seems especially loony - Russia was drawing down it's forces on the border, down to about 1,000 soldiers (down from over 40,000). Why would they intentionally stir the pot when things were going as they needed them to?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#106
post #28

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I don't think that anyone is advocating the 'right to be forgotten' as a way of wiping all content you don't like about yourself from the Internet, or even that it extends to content less than a day old. It has more to do with companies keeping their records on you from now until they go bankrupt (and then sell that data off as an asset to appease their creditors).

The rest of the world will see the actual search results, only Europeans will be left in the dark.

Unless they Google via a proxy.

People are already doing this to gain access to locale restricted content, notably on Youtube. In fact, there are browser based plug-ins to automate this.

There is no 'right to be forgotten', really. It just means that, legally, a potential employer who digs up a youthful indiscretion, or a journalist digging for dirt cannot be up front about what they have found. You will not be able to know or challenge the reasons you have been discriminated against. This will be particularly harmful in cases where the damage to your good name is demonstrably false because you will not be able to confront and disprove it.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#107

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I don't think any of the passengers were from the US.

BBC news quoted airport officials reporting 23 US citizens. Some US passports have also appeared in photographs purporting to be from the scene. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/malaysia-airl...

Yeah, those reports were wrong: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118762/false-report-23-am....

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#108

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I don't think any of the passengers were from the US.

"The State Department was trying to confirm reports that 23 Americans were aboard the downed aircraft, spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said." ( http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-mis... )

And once the US Dept. of State investigated, they discovered the 23 Americans claim to be false (but later one dual-national American was found to have boarded the flight): http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118762/false-report-23-am...

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#109
post #47

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Yeah, no kidding they should be on America's Dumbest Criminals.

If you'd follow the story from the very beginning, you'd understand why those "we have Buk" posts were made.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterhimler/2014/05/06/russias-m...

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me spell it out for you then - Ukraine had no interest in shooting down it's own cargo plane. Russia would not likely risk firing a missile from within it's own territory. Who does that leave us? Maybe the people who claim ownership of the space, have the means, and are tweeting about their supposed AN-26 shootdowns? If this is trolling, it's bad trolling.

> Ukraine had no interest in shooting down it's own cargo plane. Cargo -- no. MA plane -- very much. Their so-called ATO (in reality, genocide) failed just recently. Some of their troops were surrounded at UA-RU border by rebels, they are desorganised, some are fleeing into Russia even. At this point Kiev needs something.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterhimler/2014/05/06/russias-m...
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