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Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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There are claims that the BUK was geolocated via video footage before the plane went down: https://twitter.com/djp3tros/status/489848712450277376

There are also claims that UA was really trying to shoot Russian Plane #1 which was flying close to malaysian boeing both in time and space

There are many claims.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#32
post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.

Yeah, but you've been on here long enough to know that major off-topic news won't get flagged/will be forced up on the front page for a while. HN understands that sometimes our tech news bubble has to be popped with a little dose of the real world every once in a while.

This isn't just a plane crash, this was an aircraft that was shot down while on a perfectly normal commercial flight between two major international hubs. This could have very serious, long-term global ramifications and every person who comes to HN should be aware it happened.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #13

It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

What does "right-to-forget" have anything to do with the separatist pulling info from (supposedly) his own website? I don't see Google or any other search engine involved in this situation at all. Stop conflating things - that someone can post content and remove it of their own volition while Wayback Machine captures it is not germane to the discussion of whether it's ok to be forgotten. Now if the separatist had iss…

The law is not restricted to search engines:

> The EU defines ‘data controllers’ as ‘people or bodies that collect and manage personal data.’ (WP)

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#34
post #8

It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

> It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. Are war crimes what 'right to be forgotten' is all about?

The "right to be forgotten" laws aren't really "all about" any particular subject matter as far as I can tell. They seem to be potentially (though not definitely) applicable to nearly any story about a person that might be considered "old news."

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/factsheets...

It would be worth actually reading that PDF to see what it defines the right as including and not including.

Agreed! I don't mean to say that it applies to this situation (or that it was a good idea to recognize this right in the first place). I simply answered the question "who says there is a right to be forgotten?" Maybe shmerl did not mean the question literally, but I can't really tell.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#37
post #28

It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

I don't think that anyone is advocating the 'right to be forgotten' as a way of wiping all content you don't like about yourself from the Internet, or even that it extends to content less than a day old. It has more to do with companies keeping their records on you from now until they go bankrupt (and then sell that data off as an asset to appease their creditors).

The rest of the world will see the actual search results, only Europeans will be left in the dark.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/factsheets...

It would be worth actually reading that PDF to see what it defines the right as including and not including.

It doesn't do any such thing as far as I can tell. The limitations are as clear as mud. It seem to be best summed up as "Any data about any identifiable person that is felt to be 'no longer necessary.'"

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

#39

It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

It's easy to cover your tracks, don't post shoot down videos on Facebook, or supply and weapon inventories.

I don't know how this could even be considered 'tracks', it's strategic information that should never have been posted in the first place. (Assuming the rebels are running a military operation in hopes of gaining control of territory)

Also, if the information wasn't suppressed it would still be just as popular. Do you really think no one was going to check the Rebel Leaders VK? The event was already international news, and would fill headlines for the next week, there is no way that suppressing the information made it more widely known.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

This is the last straw. I'm done with this shitty community. Ciao
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