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Too Much Power For One Man

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Re: Too Much Power For One Man

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The whole world dominance theory is an exaggeration. The biggest markets in the world (by population) are completely closed to Google.

They have their own versions of Facebook, Youtube, Google and everything else we use here in the west, and that's not going to change anytime soon since the governments have protectionist policies in these sectors.

And even in parts of the west, namely the EU, policies are implemented which are trying to push Google out of the market, or at least weaken it severely, to allow their local industries to grow.

Whatever you might fear that Google will become some day, it wont happen, since they wont even get a fair chance in most markets to get dominant. And even if they do, they will be pushed out by the government, if it can afford it.

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#42

The whole world dominance theory is an exaggeration. The biggest markets in the world (by population) are completely closed to Google. They have their own versions of Facebook, Youtube, Google and everything else we use here in the west, and that's not going to change anytime soon since the governments have protectionist policies in these sectors. And even in parts of the west, namely the EU, policies are implemented…

True, but that doesn't change things for people living in North America. Also, even in Europe Google is doing extremely well (look at market share in search, for example), despite legislators being somewhat adversary.

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#43
post #10

A fitting cartoon analogy for cartoon logic. I am reminded of an Alan Moore quote: “In the mid 1980's I was asked by an american legal institution known as the Christic Legal Institute to compile a comic book that would detail the murky history of the C.I.A., from the end of the second world war, to the present day. Covering such things as the heroin smuggling during the Vietnam war, the cocaine smuggling during the…

Source?

According to these two blog posts, [1] and [2], the source is the film The Mindscape of Alan Moore. [3] I love the quote too, I just learned of it.

[1] http://dailyhumanist.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the-world-is-r...

[2] http://pvewood.blogspot.fr/2012/04/some-alan-moore-quotation...

[3] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410321/

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#45
post #10

A fitting cartoon analogy for cartoon logic. I am reminded of an Alan Moore quote: “In the mid 1980's I was asked by an american legal institution known as the Christic Legal Institute to compile a comic book that would detail the murky history of the C.I.A., from the end of the second world war, to the present day. Covering such things as the heroin smuggling during the Vietnam war, the cocaine smuggling during the…

  It's all the same machine, right? The Pentagon, 
  multinational corporations, the police. If you 
  do one little job, you build a widget in 
  Saskatoon, and the next thing you know, it's two 
  miles under the desert, the essential component 
  of a death machine.

  ...

  This may be hard for you to understand, but there 
  is no conspiracy. Nobody is in charge. It, it's a 
  headless blunder operating under the illusion of a 
  master plan. Can you grasp that? Big Brother is not 
  watching you.
Cube - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

Searching on "alan moore christic legal institute" brings up quite a few hits centered around a pair of graphic novels called "Brought to Light". Maybe that's it? There's a full quote on goodreads.com, but it also isn't sourced. I, too, wouldn't mind having a good source for that quote. Sounds like an interesting read.

Check out the sibling comment I just added: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8027794

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#47
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article emphasizes the wrong things. Larry Page isn't some super villain building robot armies to take over the world. The article doesn't say that. The author just lays out the facts, then concludes by stating that he is not saying that Page will abuse his power, but simply that he could . > I highly doubt that building robotic armies is on anyone's mind. On what basis do you doubt this? Because it's unpleasa…

> The author just lays out the facts, then concludes by stating that he is not saying that Page will abuse his power, but simply that he could. Right, and I think emphasizing nutty conspiracy theories distracts from the more important systemic and gradual, but perhaps less exciting, impact that Google actually has (e.g. on privacy.) You don't need to resort to conspiracy in order to isolate real ways in which Google…

>Right, and I think emphasizing nutty conspiracy theories

I missed the conspiracy theory in the article. Can you point it out? Again, it appeared to be a series of facts illustrating the power of Google/Page and a rational question: Do these facts represent the concentration of too much power in one man's hands?

>distracts from the more important systemic and gradual, but perhaps less exciting, impact that Google actually has (e.g. on privacy.)

Why can't it be both-and vs. either-or? Sure, the privacy issue is clear-and-present. But, keep in mind that when Google first started, we were just happy to have such a powerful search-engine. Perhaps it would have been a "nutty conspiracy theory" then to worry about your privacy. After all, why would Google abuse their access to your data when "Google doesn't particularly stand to benefit from"... abusing its customers' trust?

What seems most counter-intuitive, however, is that you don't trust them with your data, but you trust them with, say, launching satellites and wielding combat-robot technology. I'm not being facetious when I say that it's honestly kind of hard to find the line with you.

>Mostly motive.

Pretty amazing that you think you know Page's motives. Actually, scratch that: we can all surmise. What's amazing is that you're so certain.

Regardless, even with the "purest" motives, it's worth considering whether so much power can lead to unintended consequences.

>* Google doesn't particularly stand to benefit from building a private army.*

Nor does it from abusing your privacy. Or does it?

>But also, I used all my tin foil heating up potatoes.

Apparently, not. The article never stated that Page was building a private army. You did.

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#48
post #44

What about the Presidency of the United States? Anyone that gets elected to this position has quite a bit more power than Larry Page.

I don't think modern presidents actually have as much power as people commonly assume. The massive bureaucracies under them take awhile to learn to navigate... and by that time your 4-8 years is up.

Not to mention checks and balances.

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

#49

I’m not saying that Page is going to abuse his power. I am saying that he could. And do what? Be specific. Read my e-mails? The constant fear of corporations has been puzzling me ever since I saw RoboCop. Back then at least it was tied to the fear of rising Japan who contributed to the world war not too long before. The tech companies on the other hand have to be some of the most meek and least abusive organizations…

1. Society has lots of problems. Probably mass incarceration is a much larger problem than over-armed local police departments. That doesn't mean we shouldn't address the problem of over-armed local police departments. It also doesn't mean the problems are unrelated.

Similarly, militarization of police and decreased personal privacy expectations are probably not completely unrelated. And we don't have to focus on one to the exclusion of the other.

2. Actually, yes, Google is reading your emails. Even if you don't use gmail, they probably know who you are and who you talk with and what you talk about.

Eroding privacy is a real social problem. I'm not sure why you are so quick to trivialize.

3. Tech corporations may have great PR, but they are certainly aware of the fact that they externalize costs in the forms of e-waste dumping and horrible labor conditions. Just because you don't have to see this stuff doesn't mean it does not exist.

Re: Too Much Power For One Man

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post #30

..."But by the end, Lex Luther spent his final years fighting off increasing government regulation and a growing mass of lawsuits while trying to keep his company from succumbing to bureaucratic rot and his employees innovative. The good employees kept jumping ship while the mediocre ones were proving impossible to dislodge. He eventually died in a bizarre yacht accident involving a prostitute, several chickens and s…

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