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Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by alexeisadeski3 »

pyre wrote: post #218
coldtea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Curfew, the law that says you can't be outside after an arbitrarily dictated time. We had curfew laws in my country too. Mostly during German occupation, under World War II. I'm amazed people in the "land of the free" even have such a law...

Curfew laws are mostly aimed at children and don't apply to adults. Would you draw parallels between the government legislating that 'school-aged' children must go to school and the US decreeing that all Japanese people on the west coast must go to internment camps? Probably not.

Absolutely.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by alexeisadeski3 »

barrkel wrote: post #187
giberson wrote: post #105

Laws in the US are far too strict. I am one of the people that are covered by this statistic, I was arrested around age 16. For curfew. Curfew, the law that says you can't be outside after an arbitrarily dictated time. Absolutely ridiculous. For what it is worth--my record has been "expunged" and this arrest has not affected my adult life at all.

Curfews? That sounds like something out of a police state. I did not know the US had curfew laws.

The US is a police state...

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by alexeisadeski3 »

worklogin wrote: post #175
Crito wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philadelphia instituted a youth curfew because local highschool kids developed a interest in flash mobs. Not flash mobs where lots of people in a train station start dancing all of a sudden, but rather flash mobs where they all start texting all of their friends that they are going to all meet at 15th and South Street in 10 minutes to riot and loot. I'll grant that in most cases youth curfews are probably senseless,…

If it were adults, would you be as casual about people being told to stay in their homes because of some troublemakers?

I suppose many of them would.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

peckrob wrote: post #233
barrkel wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curfews? That sounds like something out of a police state. I did not know the US had curfew laws.

As others have said, they only apply to minors (under 18) and are usually restricted to certain hours and days. And they can vary depending on the cities, counties and states. It can be a kinda confusing mishmash of laws for those who live near the borders. I grew up outside Knoxville, Tennessee. The curfew in the city was 17-18, Monday-Thursday, 11pm-6am, Friday-Sunday, Midnight-6am. 16 and under, subtract an hour f…

It seems like one of those laws that is a "convenience law." I.e., it's there for the convenience of the police if they see something suspicious and want to question you, or something they can hit you with if they don't like your attitude.

That that simply to provide something to charge you with? If you are acting suspicious, surely they have the power to question you anyway curfew law or no curfew law?

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by alexeisadeski3 »

josho wrote: post #161
cyorir wrote: post #130

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This was a sensitive topic while I was in high school in Colorado. I don't think the school had a majority, but the largest groups were white and hispanic groups. We always had at least 1 permanent police officer heading a group of a couple of people who could be either police or security. Nominally this was a response to incidents throughout the rest of the state such as Columbine, but in reality the purpose was to…

As an outsider that seems incredibly wrong. The answer to youth gangs is not more security. Perform a root cause analysis and go back to the fact that kids often fall into gangs because parents are not around (working double jobs), they are stuck in poverty with an easy out (crime). It saddens me to read about solving youth problems by attacking the symptoms rather than the cause. Though I understand why, fixing the…

If poverty were relevant, Colorado would have zero gangs.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by pavanky »

silverbax88 wrote: post #56
pavanky wrote: post #16

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The right to be forgotten lies in a gray zone. Who is going to be the judge of what needs to be forgotten and what can stay public ?

I don't see it as a gray zone at all. There is a public record for a reason, as well as libel/slander laws in the U.S. The search engines and the Internet just think those don't matter. They are wrong, and the courts will continue to tweak the verbiage and hand down rulings until they adhere to them. - If a local paper published the home address of a woman who was a private citizen in their paper, every single day, a…

Those are legitimate concerns. How about the cases when a politician said something racist/bigoted 10 years ago. He wants them expunged now because his views are different. How do you differentiate political convenience from legitimate change in views?

Also to clarify the two points you've mentioned

Google does not generate the data. The data has to be public somewhere. If google is not doing the indexing, some other search engine is doing it. Even if the search engines did not exist, a motivated stalker will still find the public address.

> Is it 'fair' that the person's name immediately turns up their arrest record as the #1 result? Well, 'fair' and having done 10 years in prison don't really add up.

If it is not fair, the data should not be public. It is the law enforcement's fault to make such information public.

There is another argument that can be made here as well. What if the person who went to Jail was a significant person ? Should he have the right to ask a historian to ignore his past crimes when a biography is being written ?

I originally said this was a grey area because there will be cases where this is a good reason and there will be cases when this is a terrible idea. However asking the search engines to ignore public data is most definitely treating the symptoms instead of looking at the broader problem.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by alexeisadeski3 »

TomGullen wrote: post #113

Used to dream of living in the US, moving our business there. Not just due to this, but the more I read and learn about the US, the more that is exposed about the US, the less I now want to live there.

>moving our business there

That would be genuinely insane.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by DanBC »

GeorgeBeech wrote: post #127
petercooper wrote: post #7

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While not as important as having a job, etc, it could possibly affect overseas travel. Someone couldn't travel with us from the UK to our wedding in the US as we learnt that anyone who's been arrested for any reason can't travel under the visa waiver program (they can apply for a visa though but that takes time, money, and an interview). And as far as I understand it, US VWP treaties operate on similar principles in…

Eh? The law only talks about convictions not arrests. You need to qualify for a Business or Tourism visa to be able to use the VWP. (source: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/general/inelig... ) Sounds like your friend got screwed by an over zealous bureaucrat.

But see what the US embassy in London says: http://london.usembassy.gov/niv/add_crime.html

> We recommend that anyone who have ever been arrested and/or convicted of an offense apply for a visa. In cases where the arrest resulted in a conviction, the individual may be permanently ineligible to receive a visa and in order to travel, a waiver of the permanent ineligibility is required. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law. Therefore, even travelers with a spent conviction are required to declare the arrest and/or conviction and apply for a visa.

Imagine you've just spent £X00 on a ticket. Would you gamble that (and the cost of flying back if denied entry), and your future chance of entry to the US, on getting through US border controls?

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by Anechoic »

nostrademons wrote: post #190
tzs wrote: post #163

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Black males are disproportionately represented among those in poverty or with low income compared to white males. If the police completely ignored race, we would expect black males to be arrested at a higher rate than white males. The most troubling possibility that the black male vs white male rate suggests to me is that police might not be taking black victims as seriously as white victims. Blacks die by homicide a…

Just a guess: more white females than black females go to college, where they have plenty of opportunities for underage drinking, marijuana use, trespassing, vandalism, or other minor crimes. More black women at that age are mothers, where they have to provide for their kid and don't have time to get into mischief. The arrest rates at age 18 were nearly identical for white vs. black females, the discrepancy only aros…

Just a guess: more white females than black females go to college,

In terms of raw numbers, yes, because there are more white females than black females in the U.S. In terms of rates, no, black women enroll in college at a higher rate than white women [0] and are awarded degrees at a higher rate than white women [1]. Now this is a relatively recent (last 10 years) development so it could be that arrest rates haven't had time to adjust for this if the hypothesis is correct.

[0] http://www.census.gov/hhes/school/data/cps/2011/tables.html look at the "White alone non-Hispanic" and "Black alone" table data and assuming we're limiting the comparison to 18-24 yro per the post I'm responding to, 4.6% of black women attend college vs 4.3% of white women.

[1] http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Post by mpyne »

alexeisadeski3 wrote: post #242
barrkel wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curfews? That sounds like something out of a police state. I did not know the US had curfew laws.

The US is a police state...

"The US" has no nationwide law mandating curfews.

The Tenth Amendment allows states and local municipalities to set and enforce curfew laws though, and many do.

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