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Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by threeseed »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #60
jaegerpicker wrote: post #47

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"have a reluctance to admit that Apple is significantly a fashion company. Not the beacon of technical excellence they set it up to be in their mind." This is a false dichotomy, the idea that Apple is either a fashion company or a Tech leader. Why can't they be both? Yes they make products that are fashionably designed but, IMO, they are clearly also a leader if not the leader in consumer technical excellence.

I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Apple is just a fashion company. I'm saying that a lot of folks, especially the silicon valley alpha geek types, who are die hard Apple fans try to rationalize their preferences in a way that excludes the fashion aspect out of a sense of embarrassment or what-have-you.

A lot of people, including myself, like Apple products less so for the design and more for the actual technical qualities. They make the best laptops by far. The operating system marries UNIX with ease of use like nothing before. There is genuine attention to detail in their software that Microsoft or Ubuntu simply doesn't have.

I am sick to death of idiots like you who dismiss my choice as being "fashionable".

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by tptacek »

wglb wrote: post #70
sscalia wrote: post #57

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You're a smug asshole, aren't you. The reason they are so successful is the technology falls by the wayside; that's how advanced they are. Just because you get off rooting your phone doesn't mean they're not the leaders in technical excellence.

Personal attacks are not welcome on HN.

It's funny how close that came to being a decent comment; the first sentence is like an own-goal.

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by [deleted] »

sscalia wrote: post #57
InclinedPlane wrote: post #34

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My theory on confusion over the Beats purchase is that Apple fanboys have a reluctance to admit that Apple is significantly a fashion company. Not the beacon of technical excellence(asterisk) they set it up to be in their mind. The reality is that Beats is also primarily a fashion company. Also with a strong brand. Also with a product line that sells at a high markup. They go together like pancakes and maple syrup. I…

You're a smug asshole, aren't you. The reason they are so successful is the technology falls by the wayside; that's how advanced they are. Just because you get off rooting your phone doesn't mean they're not the leaders in technical excellence.

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Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by tptacek »

threeseed wrote: post #71
InclinedPlane wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Apple is just a fashion company. I'm saying that a lot of folks, especially the silicon valley alpha geek types, who are die hard Apple fans try to rationalize their preferences in a way that excludes the fashion aspect out of a sense of embarrassment or what-have-you.

A lot of people, including myself, like Apple products less so for the design and more for the actual technical qualities. They make the best laptops by far. The operating system marries UNIX with ease of use like nothing before. There is genuine attention to detail in their software that Microsoft or Ubuntu simply doesn't have. I am sick to death of idiots like you who dismiss my choice as being "fashionable".

All you had to do was stop before writing that last sentence, and your comment could have been taken seriously.

There's still time to edit it (if you do, my comment won't make any sense anymore, and I'll kill it).

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by tomsthumb »

Crito wrote: post #45
moheeb wrote: post #41

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" Next time you roll into a Best Buy, compare the 'shinyness' and 'smoothness' of Beats to any other product " Yeah...just don't compare the sound.

The sound on Beats is actually good; much better than what most people have with their headphones so most users will experience an improvement by switching to them. The problem is that the cost:sound ratio is poor; you can find cheaper headphones with the same quality and you can find much better headphones for the same price.

You can find much better quality headphones for _much_ less.

90$ HD-280 pro's sound better than 300$ Beats..

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by sosborn »

Crito wrote: post #53
jrlocke wrote: post #44

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Apple's original success does not stem from fashion, but rather from their OS being the most accessible alternative to Windows for non-technical users--driving huge profits selling hardware.

Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability, other MP3 players at the time hearkened back to the Walkman, which nearly all non-technical consumers were perfectly comfortable with and capable of using. The big gain there was that the iPod had a modern design, not a design dating back to the 80s. Edit: The clickwheel was an improvement, but it wasn't like consumers were co…

>Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability

This is subjective, but I disagree. The click wheel was unmatched IMHO.

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by moe »

Crito wrote: post #53
jrlocke wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's original success does not stem from fashion, but rather from their OS being the most accessible alternative to Windows for non-technical users--driving huge profits selling hardware.

Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability, other MP3 players at the time hearkened back to the Walkman, which nearly all non-technical consumers were perfectly comfortable with and capable of using. The big gain there was that the iPod had a modern design, not a design dating back to the 80s. Edit: The clickwheel was an improvement, but it wasn't like consumers were co…

Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability

Excuse me?

The clicky wheel was a revolution over the garbage UIs that the competition had at the time.

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by Crito »

sosborn wrote: post #76
Crito wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability, other MP3 players at the time hearkened back to the Walkman, which nearly all non-technical consumers were perfectly comfortable with and capable of using. The big gain there was that the iPod had a modern design, not a design dating back to the 80s. Edit: The clickwheel was an improvement, but it wasn't like consumers were co…

>Early iPods did not have a significant leg up over other MP3 players in terms of usability This is subjective, but I disagree. The click wheel was unmatched IMHO.

The click wheel was good, but it wasn't like consumers were confused by the alternatives. With PCs you could make the case that most consumers struggled to use windows at the time, but hand-held media players haven't had that problem since the 80s.

Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by durkie »

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Re: Looks by Dr. Dre

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Post by Crito »

tomsthumb wrote: post #75
Crito wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sound on Beats is actually good; much better than what most people have with their headphones so most users will experience an improvement by switching to them. The problem is that the cost:sound ratio is poor; you can find cheaper headphones with the same quality and you can find much better headphones for the same price.

You can find much better quality headphones for _much_ less. 90$ HD-280 pro's sound better than 300$ Beats..

> HD-280 pro

That's actually the exact pair of headphones I have on right now. ;)

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