IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991) • Hacker News Board

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by gilgoomesh » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:39 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #10

melloclello wrote: post #7

Archived SomethingAwful thread from 9/11/2001: http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/ http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/wtc01.html > WATCH BUSH START A FUCKING WAR

From the thread: > Now this is weird, since last week was the first showing of that X-files spin-off "The Lone Gunmen" in Austalia. The plot of the first one was that some government group was going to fly a plane into the World Trade Centre. Life imitates art? Eee... WHAT? I always read that WTC was the kind of event that no one ever imagined it could possibly happen until after the incident.

The scale of the September 11 attacks was greater than most predictions (given that no terrorist attack in history had ever been that destructive) but planes into buildings and terrorist attacks on the WTC were frequently predicted events.

The Empire State building has been hit multiple times by planes including a serious incident involving a B-25 in 1945:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_cras...

and the WTC had been the subject of multiple previous bombings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Planes attacking buildings – especially the World Trade Center – is certainly something that had been imagined.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by jdong » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:39 AM UTC

The_Pherocity wrote: post #20

jdong wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This message seems to be way too long for IRC. edit: I really don't get why people are downvoting this, the message appears to have at least 1298 characters.

Explain please?

IRC protocol spec limits message length to 512 bytes, I know only of a single implementation that lets you go above that and many clients crash or otherwise break if you go above it.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by robbiep » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:40 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #10

melloclello wrote: post #7

Archived SomethingAwful thread from 9/11/2001: http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/ http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/wtc01.html > WATCH BUSH START A FUCKING WAR

From the thread: > Now this is weird, since last week was the first showing of that X-files spin-off "The Lone Gunmen" in Austalia. The plot of the first one was that some government group was going to fly a plane into the World Trade Centre. Life imitates art? Eee... WHAT? I always read that WTC was the kind of event that no one ever imagined it could possibly happen until after the incident.

Except it had already been attempted by Bin Laden in 1993, albeit without planes

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by robbiep » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:41 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #10

melloclello wrote: post #7

Archived SomethingAwful thread from 9/11/2001: http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/ http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/wtc01.html > WATCH BUSH START A FUCKING WAR

From the thread: > Now this is weird, since last week was the first showing of that X-files spin-off "The Lone Gunmen" in Austalia. The plot of the first one was that some government group was going to fly a plane into the World Trade Centre. Life imitates art? Eee... WHAT? I always read that WTC was the kind of event that no one ever imagined it could possibly happen until after the incident.

Except it had already been attempted by Bin Laden in 1993, albeit without planes

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by Houshalter » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:46 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #18

ilaksh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be good to have a map and timeline like that going back to the 10th century. Because I think that people _really_ could use some perspective.

Kind of an unified, explorable map of historical events, in which you can see how the borders looked like, could see various information overlays like trade routes, major wars, events, etc.? It's quite an endeavour but I believe a worthy one, and I hope a project like that will start soon. This could have tremendous effect on people. It's BretVictoresque stuff, things that could expand the space of thoughts we have,…

Relevant, Making History Available: http://lesswrong.com/lw/j0/making_history_available/

>To my former memory, the United States had always existed—there was never a time when there was no United States. I had not remembered, until that time, how the Roman Empire rose, and brought peace and order, and lasted through so many centuries, until I forgot that things had ever been otherwise; and yet the Empire fell, and barbarians overran my city, and the learning that I had possessed was lost. The modern world became more fragile to my eyes; it was not the first modern world.

>So many mistakes, made over and over and over again, because I did not remember making them, in every era I never lived...

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by thefreeman » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:50 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #5

I wonder if the IRC logs from the Iraq War (round 2) will ever be declassified and released. IRC is used pretty extensively by the military for communications (generally just called "mIRC", since people associate it so strongly with the official military client), and there were a bunch of different channels on different networks to discuss operations in realtime. http://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/

FYI for some reason MalwareBytes treats that link as malicious.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by hyborg787 » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:51 AM UTC

jdong wrote: post #13

Houshalter wrote: post #9

This is surprisingly interesting. I just picked a random log and found this: test to see if infoserver is echoing messages to group +war. well all this info is probably old. The iraqis caused an oil spill 8-10 miles long and a couple miles wide. It's 12 times the size of that caused by the exxon valdeez. It's not known if wells are actively pumping into the gulf right now, or if they just dumped stored reserves. If t…

This message seems to be way too long for IRC. edit: I really don't get why people are downvoting this, the message appears to have at least 1298 characters.

consecutive lines from the same sender are collapsed into a single message, double spaces are where new lines should be.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:55 AM UTC

Houshalter wrote: post #25

TeMPOraL wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of an unified, explorable map of historical events, in which you can see how the borders looked like, could see various information overlays like trade routes, major wars, events, etc.? It's quite an endeavour but I believe a worthy one, and I hope a project like that will start soon. This could have tremendous effect on people. It's BretVictoresque stuff, things that could expand the space of thoughts we have,…

Relevant, Making History Available: http://lesswrong.com/lw/j0/making_history_available/ >To my former memory, the United States had always existed—there was never a time when there was no United States. I had not remembered, until that time, how the Roman Empire rose, and brought peace and order, and lasted through so many centuries, until I forgot that things had ever been otherwise; and yet the Empire fell, and ba…

A great article, thanks for linking it and also posting the most important quotes for this discussion.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by jdong » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:57 AM UTC

hyborg787 wrote: post #27

jdong wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This message seems to be way too long for IRC. edit: I really don't get why people are downvoting this, the message appears to have at least 1298 characters.

consecutive lines from the same sender are collapsed into a single message, double spaces are where new lines should be.

Makes sense, though I don't think that's the standard log format for any client.

Re: IRC logs from the beginning of the Gulf War (1991)

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Post by canjobear » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 5:05 AM UTC

melloclello wrote: post #7

Archived SomethingAwful thread from 9/11/2001: http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/ http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/wtc01.html > WATCH BUSH START A FUCKING WAR

Page 13, Kramer says:

> Not to belittle the signifigance of these events, but you do realize that this means a whole slew of "anti terrorist" and probably "anti violence" laws will be passed through congress.

> Any "anti terrorist" laws will be given almost a blank check to do what is necessary. I'd be surprised if in 6 months you'll be able to make a domestic call without it being monitored.

> That's the way terrorism works. It's not the attack that hurts most people. A couple of hundred people die -- every death is tragic, but the truth is the real tragedy will be the loss of freedoms for the survivors.