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Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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It's been really interesting over the last 24 hours or so to watch the reaction from Joe Kay[0], whose label/collective Soulection[1] has shared hundreds of hours of mixes and dozens of original tracks and remixes on Soundcloud[2], and to an extent (at least initially) built their following on the site (not to take anything away from the impact performances, etc. have had on their growing popularity), but were always…

Soulection originally uploaded their shows to MixCloud, but made the move to SoundCloud about a year back. :(

http://www.mixcloud.com/soulection/

..if any HNers enjoy these tunes, the live show is every Saturday at 10am pst on rinse.fm.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#52
The first part of this post is rather lame. In his complaining about putative tracking, he quotes their new policy. This policy says that they're collecting non-identifying info that can be opted out of, and if you sign in with Facebook or Google, they'll take note of your gender.

None of these things they're declaring gives them the ability to track who you are, or correlate it to what you're doing.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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post #51
post #17

It's been really interesting over the last 24 hours or so to watch the reaction from Joe Kay[0], whose label/collective Soulection[1] has shared hundreds of hours of mixes and dozens of original tracks and remixes on Soundcloud[2], and to an extent (at least initially) built their following on the site (not to take anything away from the impact performances, etc. have had on their growing popularity), but were always…

Soulection originally uploaded their shows to MixCloud, but made the move to SoundCloud about a year back. :( http://www.mixcloud.com/soulection/ ..if any HNers enjoy these tunes, the live show is every Saturday at 10am pst on rinse.fm.

Apparently they've had similar issues on Mixcloud:

https://twitter.com/J0EKAY/status/484097294598275072

And even if hip hop/trap/neo-soul/etc aren't your style, if you're into any electronic music at all there's probably something for you on Rinse.fm (unfortunately they're more an internet radio station than a platform like Soundcloud, not exactly apples to apples from a user perspective).

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#54
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post #47

My understanding is that soundcloud is popular with (and funded by) musicians who post original music. Why should we all be so upset about this?

Because you or I don't have a way to flag Universal's account? It seems odd that a third party has direct control over your Soundcloud account (which you may have paid for) without any recourse.

That's the inherent risk of using a third party to host "your account" on a proprietary system. I have sympathy for all these artists, I truly do, but what were they expecting?

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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post #49
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So SoundCloud users had a good run, but now the popularity of the service reached critical mass and raised the ire of the labels so they're knuckling under like every other provider. SoundCloud (sensibly) doesn't want the burden of dealing with the massive copyright infringement by it's users and outsources the job to the owners of the tracks. Now I get that it sucks that you don't get explicit explanations of what i…

You're completely right: artists who make mixes and use samples should probably do it above-board and follow all applicable copyright laws. However, the problems are three-fold: 1) Lack of information. It looks like the new automated process provides no clues on what the infringing content was/is. 2) Lack of appeals process. 3) The fact that previously rolled out systems that have allowed major labels this sort of ac…

100% agree.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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post #53
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soulection originally uploaded their shows to MixCloud, but made the move to SoundCloud about a year back. :( http://www.mixcloud.com/soulection/ ..if any HNers enjoy these tunes, the live show is every Saturday at 10am pst on rinse.fm.

Apparently they've had similar issues on Mixcloud: https://twitter.com/J0EKAY/status/484097294598275072 And even if hip hop/trap/neo-soul/etc aren't your style, if you're into any electronic music at all there's probably something for you on Rinse.fm (unfortunately they're more an internet radio station than a platform like Soundcloud, not exactly apples to apples from a user perspective).

If you're interested in the history of Rinse.fm, check out this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/aug/27/rinse-fm-geeneu...

Real Pirate radio for the last twenty years.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#57
I have just had this very issue directly as an electronic music producer.

Was flagged for my own original music NOT on a remix or anything that contained samples but an original jam I made with some classic Roland hardware; Roland SH-101, TR-909, and TR-606! Seems the algorithm they use to flag has many flaws and is automated with no one at the wheel to look at individual cases.

Not sure where soundcloud is going with this, because I pay for the service and replied to them to fix and have heard nothing in over a month.

Moved my song over to mixcloud. I am creating a music app for musicians called Memory Echo if anyone is interested in working together on something different but similar for musicians that are not signed.

Knew this day would come just didn't know when.

Cheers! Electronic Sleep

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#58

Somewhat offtopic, but why is there an obsession with music discovery services? Soundcloud has its own niche in terms of sharing and usage, but other services like 8tracks and Slacker seem rather unnecessary. Is it that hard to discover new music on one's own?

Well if soundcloud was not around it just wouldn't be possible to keep up with the 600+ people I follow and even then a solid 50% of what is on their page is just stuff they like as well which introduces me to more people.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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Somewhat offtopic, but why is there an obsession with music discovery services? Soundcloud has its own niche in terms of sharing and usage, but other services like 8tracks and Slacker seem rather unnecessary. Is it that hard to discover new music on one's own?

8tracks is user created playlists right? Why wouldn't that be useful — that's generally the best way to find music in a lot situations. Slacker is internet radio I think and more run of the mill so not sure for that one.

Because the user-created playlists seem rather low-quality. Half the "indie" playlists appear to have bland mainstream radio music. Maybe I'm not the target audience for these apps, but friends, 4chan, Pitchfork and Spotify seem to be the right combination for me.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

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post #43

Or, you can listen to real, really great music from underground labels on SC and never worry about Universal. Kappa.

Sounds to me like Universal has blanket permission to harass anyone, regardless how "underground" they are. Universal doesn't like your brand of competition? They'll just flag you for infringement.
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