Lack of appeals and lack of information make this a real problem. Soundcloud needs to address this to keep the artists from going elsewhere.
Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account
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#42How are mixes subject to take-downs? Shouldn't they be protected since they are pre-recorded and thus protected by exceptions to public performance rights?
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#43Or, you can listen to real, really great music from underground labels on SC
and never worry about Universal.
Kappa.
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#44Somewhat offtopic, but why is there an obsession with music discovery services? Soundcloud has its own niche in terms of sharing and usage, but other services like 8tracks and Slacker seem rather unnecessary. Is it that hard to discover new music on one's own?
Depends on how you want to find music. As a DJ, I actively dig for new music a lot. It is nice to be able to throw on some service that gives me a "radio" to passively find new tracks as well. I also suspect for most people "fresh direct" consumption of music fits into their view of how new music is found.
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#45Somewhat offtopic, but why is there an obsession with music discovery services? Soundcloud has its own niche in terms of sharing and usage, but other services like 8tracks and Slacker seem rather unnecessary. Is it that hard to discover new music on one's own?
8tracks is user created playlists right? Why wouldn't that be useful — that's generally the best way to find music in a lot situations.
Slacker is internet radio I think and more run of the mill so not sure for that one.
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#46I don't understand the problem, I guess. You can't profit from other people's copyrighted material without their permission. That's just how copyright works. And they can grant or deny that parmission. Get a license or use something else. And don't complain that they're being "unfair" by taking your stuff down and not telling you what infringed. If you didn't upload/sample/perform other people's stuff, you wouldn't n…
You should watch the documentary Everything is a Remix:
Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account
#47My understanding is that soundcloud is popular with (and funded by) musicians who post original music. Why should we all be so upset about this?
Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account
#48My understanding is that soundcloud is popular with (and funded by) musicians who post original music. Why should we all be so upset about this?
Because you or I don't have a way to flag Universal's account? It seems odd that a third party has direct control over your Soundcloud account (which you may have paid for) without any recourse.
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#49So SoundCloud users had a good run, but now the popularity of the service reached critical mass and raised the ire of the labels so they're knuckling under like every other provider. SoundCloud (sensibly) doesn't want the burden of dealing with the massive copyright infringement by it's users and outsources the job to the owners of the tracks. Now I get that it sucks that you don't get explicit explanations of what i…
You're completely right: artists who make mixes and use samples should probably do it above-board and follow all applicable copyright laws.
However, the problems are three-fold:
1) Lack of information. It looks like the new automated process provides no clues on what the infringing content was/is.
2) Lack of appeals process.
3) The fact that previously rolled out systems that have allowed major labels this sort of access to services (primarily YouTube) have been subject to abuse by the labels, taking down content that was original, and there has been no indication given that this won't happen here.
Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account
#50I don't understand the problem, I guess. You can't profit from other people's copyrighted material without their permission. That's just how copyright works. And they can grant or deny that parmission. Get a license or use something else. And don't complain that they're being "unfair" by taking your stuff down and not telling you what infringed. If you didn't upload/sample/perform other people's stuff, you wouldn't n…
Building upon the cultural contributions of our past is how all of human civilization was built. Until the late twentieth century. Disney (for instance) strips our culture like a jackal, yet buys senators (such as Ernest Frederick "Fritz" Hollings) to subvert the law so they can keep it a one-way flow. To allow a few to subvert all of human existence for their personal gain is obscene.
Overprotecting intellectual property is as harmful as underprotecting it. Culture is impossible without a rich public domain. Nothing today, likely nothing since we tamed fire, is genuinely new: Culture, like science and technology, grows by accretion, each new creator building on the works of those who came before. Overprotection stifles the very creative forces it's supposed to nurture.
-- Alex Kozinski