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Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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The second point seems like it is a stretch. Of course, crime rate of illegal marijuana dropped when it was legalized. What I'd really like to see if related crime has dropped or increased - such as DUI, Theft, Assault, etc. --Edit-- Thanks all for pointing out the piece I skimmed over :) ...However I am still very curious to smaller offenses and misdemeanors. It will be years before we see good statistics, but those…

http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/20... Crimes against persons: up about 24% Crimes against property: down about 10% Crimes against society: up about 23% which includes narcotics crimes up by 21% All other crimes: up over 150% No one should be trying to read data out of this noise, but if you are, it's not looking good for any legalization argument.

Over half of the overall increase comes from a huge increase in "Disorderly Conduct/Disturbing the Peace" (> 6x), and "Criminal Trespass" (> 3x).

Those two categories plus a similar growth buried in "All Other Offenses" accounts for essentially all of the growth in reported crimes.

There is probably a story there somewhere.

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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I'm sorry that someone close to you is dealing with that struggle, but I have two questions:

1) Do you think that your friend was at all dissuaded by current US drug policy? Of course this is impossible to know for sure, but I'm curious to hear your view.

2) Is having their door kicked through in the middle of the night by SWAT, and being sent to prison in any way advantageous to someone struggling with addiction?

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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> This November, it's all but certain that D.C. will vote on a marijuana ballot measure and even pass it, setting up a battle with Congress to legalize. It will be interesting to see what happens with this vote. The marijuana debate is in a completely different place than it was 16 years ago when Congress blocked the counting of the votes for medical marijuana in D.C., but I could still see them interfering with the…

Why would DC legalizing pot set up a battle with Congress - does Congress need to sign off on DC legislation?

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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I'm sorry that someone close to you is dealing with that struggle, but I have two questions: 1) Do you think that your friend was at all dissuaded by current US drug policy? Of course this is impossible to know for sure, but I'm curious to hear your view. 2) Is having their door kicked through in the middle of the night by SWAT, and being sent to prison in any way advantageous to someone struggling with addiction?

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Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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It is really hard to see people we care about struggle with addiction. But WHAT they are addicted is not the problem; it's their broken brain that needs fixing. Spending $1.5 trillion trying to stem the supply of a substance is about as stupid as making all negative social-interactions illegal (everything MUST be awesome!) so depressed people won't get sad.

You know what doesn't help someone who's depressed and using drugs to cope? Throwing them in jail.

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not in Colorado but I saw one of the downsides the other day which is the manufacture of items like candy bars with multiple serving sizes of THC in the one bar. People aren't paying much attention to the serving sizes and there appears to be no restrictions in place yet on how much can be in a given food item. I'm in favor of legalization but there may need to be some more restrictions in place on how much THC c…

This is true. It takes responsibility on the users part and possibly more education on the sellers part. But certainly the same is true with alcohol, caffeine, etc. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/07/01/caf...

> One teaspoon of the powder contains up to 1,600 milligrams of caffeine — about 70 cans of Red Bull.

Something is a bit off here.

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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The linked data shows 19 murders in the first five months of 2013, 11 murders in the same period in 2014. First, this is very noisy data to make any predictions from. (I guess it's a good thing to have so few murders that it's hard to make generalizations.) March 2014 alone had 5 murders compared to three last year. Second, this isn't a 52.9% drop, even if you exclude May, which makes the drop from 17 to 9. It's a 47…

They just worded it wrong, really... It should say it's 52.9% of what it was in 2013, meaning it is a 47.1% drop.

But linking to data for 5 months and then only using the 4 you want to use to skew numbers seems pretty ridiculous to me.

And then in the same page there's data for drug/narcotics violations which isn't even mentioned because it is going up (21% more) even though there are supposedly plummeting marijuana convictions. Also they stated that the crime rate in Denver is going down, yet the data shows the exact opposite.

Whole article seems like cherrypicking at its finest.

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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The linked data shows 19 murders in the first five months of 2013, 11 murders in the same period in 2014. First, this is very noisy data to make any predictions from. (I guess it's a good thing to have so few murders that it's hard to make generalizations.) March 2014 alone had 5 murders compared to three last year. Second, this isn't a 52.9% drop, even if you exclude May, which makes the drop from 17 to 9. It's a 47…

Reminds me of this xkcd: http://www.xkcd.com/925/

Re: Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado

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The second point seems like it is a stretch. Of course, crime rate of illegal marijuana dropped when it was legalized. What I'd really like to see if related crime has dropped or increased - such as DUI, Theft, Assault, etc. --Edit-- Thanks all for pointing out the piece I skimmed over :) ...However I am still very curious to smaller offenses and misdemeanors. It will be years before we see good statistics, but those…

> According to government data, the Denver city- and county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1 through April 30. This was the second paragraph of the crime section.

I wonder how much of that was due to the weather?

How much more severe was this winter compared to last year?

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