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Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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While at 143 million people Russia has the largest population, this is rapidly shrinking, Russian internet (runet as they call it) was already mostly balkanised mainly due to language.

I find it amusing that they are doing this in "the name of combating piracy" when right now a certain russian site is hosting 1.2 million (mostly western) pirated ebooks and 28 million pirated scientific articles

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Aside from the politics, this causes me to have 2 questions: 1) Are there any cloud file storage systems along the Drive/DB lines in Russia that apps providers can integrate with? 2) Not that anyone here knows the answer, but will the cloud storage providers implement data routing that complies with these rules (I guess yes, if the money is worth it)? If anyone here is interested in country specific SaaS integrations…

1) Yes, there is. For example Selectel: http://selectel.com/services/cloud-storage/ based on OpenStack API, very easy to integrate.

>Data storage ~0.088$ for 1GB per month or ~0.131$ for 1 TB per hour

>Network (outgoing traffic) ~0.023$ per 1GB

>Network (incoming traffic) free-of-charge

They also recently announced CDN option with Akamai partnership at no additional cost

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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It sounds evil but balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium. The NSA/GCHQ scandal only pushed it a little further. We all know that any great medium starts out as a bastion of understanding, sharing and common good until a bunch of trolls show up to ruin it all (ahem, reddit, ycombinator, digg, etc). Until that moment we enjoy all the…

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium

Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech.

Their problem has never been that some company cooperates with the US. It has always been that multinationals couldn't be easily strong-armed into cooperating with the local authorities. And no, it wouldn't matter if the US had the same problems.

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It sounds evil but balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium. The NSA/GCHQ scandal only pushed it a little further. We all know that any great medium starts out as a bastion of understanding, sharing and common good until a bunch of trolls show up to ruin it all (ahem, reddit, ycombinator, digg, etc). Until that moment we enjoy all the…

where the FSB can easily access it without those pesky court orders - this is part of Putins crackdown along with banning certain words from use period.

Secret court orders isn't problem in USA [1] nor UK [2], Russia only tries to keep up with Five Eyes.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...

2. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/apr/04/clarke-defends-se...

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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post #3

It sounds evil but balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium. The NSA/GCHQ scandal only pushed it a little further. We all know that any great medium starts out as a bastion of understanding, sharing and common good until a bunch of trolls show up to ruin it all (ahem, reddit, ycombinator, digg, etc). Until that moment we enjoy all the…

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

I could easily see the EU strengthening our data protection laws in the next few years to take us in this direction. In light of the NSA scandals there's probably a strong justification for this… except that the UK is a bigger danger to privacy and it operates within the EU.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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While at 143 million people Russia has the largest population, this is rapidly shrinking, Russian internet (runet as they call it) was already mostly balkanised mainly due to language. I find it amusing that they are doing this in "the name of combating piracy" when right now a certain russian site is hosting 1.2 million (mostly western) pirated ebooks and 28 million pirated scientific articles

I do not think stated reason is necessary the same as the real reason. Real reason is more likely to have to do with control over local population, possibly with trying not to export local data to outside world (e.g. national security) and is likely an attempt to give an advantage to local companies.

Combating piracy is just something west is supposed to react more positively at.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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It's a post-Snowden world, so I can't say I'm surprised nor that I think it's ridiculous. I also strongly suspect that EU will follow the suit shortly.

The motivations Russia has for doing this are not currently present in the EU so I highly doubt that.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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It's sad that it's spiraling down to this but it is in practice no different than what the US is doing. There's no free speech without privacy so this looks like a "choose your dictator" kind of thing.

The difference here is that America does not care whether you store your data on services in Europe or Russia, but Russia does. Clearly in practice this is very different to what the US is doing.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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It's a post-Snowden world, so I can't say I'm surprised nor that I think it's ridiculous. I also strongly suspect that EU will follow the suit shortly.

The motivations Russia has for doing this are not currently present in the EU so I highly doubt that.

Pray tell what these motivations are.

Just talk through them and then ask yourself if they are in fact "not present" outside of Russia given all the NSA and GCHQ shenanigans that have surfaced.

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