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Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by wfjackson »

AJ007 wrote: post #94
ntakasaki wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that close to what happened to Mega Upload and domain handed over to the government?

Exactly. Here is another one: Microsoft failed to secure Windows XP against malware and botnets, so all Windows XP users will now be redirected to Ubuntu.com when they try to access the internet through Internet Explorer.

That's quite a stretched analogy. A fully updated Windows XP computer will still be vulnerable to malware and botnets.

That is because Windows, OS X, Android and Linux allow their users to install third party programs without whitelisting them. There is nothing stopping users from installing malware. OS X and Linux have less malware because they're not as popular as Windows and Android.

That's opposite to iOS, Windows Phone/RT, XBox and Playstation which are pretty much free from malware because everything has to go through an app store.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by Omniusaspirer »

spion wrote: post #99

This is quite outrageous. I've been using no-ip.com for very legitimate purposes and this will surely result with a lot of breakage. Thanks Microsoft. Thanks a lot.

As another completely legitimate user what strikes me the most with this is how they did their best to basically pull off a sneak attack. I mean really? Microsoft just couldn't be bothered to give any forewarning to the millions of customers who's services they were directly interfering with?

Tack on the dubious reasoning and the alleged failure to even contact NOIP at all before having this court order issued and this puts Microsoft in a really bad light. I'm not mad at NOIP about malware (frankly- I don't give a single shit), but I'm absolutely mad at Microsoft for pulling this bullshit and interfering with services I paid for completely out of nowhere.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by mst »

akerl_ wrote: post #28
lucb1e wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all 3 links this is the only relevant part I've been able to find regarding them being malicious: > Heck, if the DDoS for hire services protect themselves against DDoS attacks by using CloudFlare then CloudFlare must be damn good! So they protect their customers from DDoS attacks. All of them. I see nothing bad in this. Saying they shouldn't is like saying a government should put all criminals together in a villag…

The point being made above is that Cloudflare charges users to protect them from attacks, but they're also providing protection (from attacks and identification) to the people performing the attacks. To many, it appears that they're helping to allow malicious activity because it benefits the sale of their services.

This sounds like the same argument would apply to selling bullet proof jackets to people who also own guns.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

#144

Post by ohashi »

hendersoon wrote: post #77

It's just plain outrageous that this court order was granted. It essentially puts no-ip out of business when they were not complicit in anything illegal. It took me 5 minutes to switch my completely legitimate hosts over to ddns.net. I'm sure the evil botnet owners have backup hostnames and will do the same, or more likely switch to another provider entirely. The end result will be a short-lived dip in criminal activ…

The argument seemed to be no-ip wouldn't stop people who were reported for malware/abuse. If other DDNS providers are less complicit with malware/abuse then it should be harder for them to continually operate. Sure, it won't stop it. But if the most friendly DDNS host is gone, it seems like a marginal victory for everyone else.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by nitrogen »

meowface wrote: post #104
lucb1e wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's illegal and you're harmed I'm sure you can sue the people who did it and CloudFlare will have to hand over IP addresses. But is it CloudFlare's duty to police the Internet? Like ISPs, I think they should be content neutral unless illegal content like child porn is being hosted. Merely talking about services is not illegal as far as I know; only performing the DDoS attacks is.

1. Websites hosting services that have no other purpose but to DDoS other computers are absolutely illegal. Many such sites have been taken down by the FBI before, and both users and owners of the sites have been arrested. The problem is that there are many hundreds of such sites and tens of thousands of users, and law enforcement simply can't take down each and every one. Cloudflare is relying on the fact that most…

Is requiring legal due process such a bad thing?

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

#146

Post by ntakasaki »

MBCook wrote: post #135
zanny wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Our governments are so inept at fighting cyber-crime that instead of sending the request to a govt-regulated cyber-security unit they had to trust Microsoft's with the enforcement? That's sad. If this were true, I could sleep easier at night. I doubt it - the judge in question was probably just paid off or otherwise influenced to give MS just insane power, while probably being ignorant of networking in the first…

> the judge in question was probably just paid off or otherwise influenced That's a hell of an accusation.

I guess you haven't been reading comments and articles on Slashdot, Groklaw and even HN over the years. Such wild accusations against MS are the norm.

If you want a good chuckle, read this "article" and comments.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/02/16/2259257/draconian-dr...

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by Omniusaspirer »

dsl wrote: post #134
hendersoon wrote: post #77

It's just plain outrageous that this court order was granted. It essentially puts no-ip out of business when they were not complicit in anything illegal. It took me 5 minutes to switch my completely legitimate hosts over to ddns.net. I'm sure the evil botnet owners have backup hostnames and will do the same, or more likely switch to another provider entirely. The end result will be a short-lived dip in criminal activ…

No-ip was complicit in the illegal activity. If you use a car wash that is also laundering money, your legitimate need for a clean car is not a defense against shutting the business down.

But that's an awful analogy and frankly you should be ashamed for even trying to paint it in that light. NOIP did nothing illegal whatsoever, their only "crime" was that they didn't do enough about malware distribution to keep Microsoft happy- which last I heard wasn't illegal.

To use your car wash analogy, it's more like the car wash unknowingly washed the car of a drug trafficker and then was essentially put out of business the next day for being "complicit in the illegal activity".

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by Swizec »

wfjackson wrote: post #141
AJ007 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Here is another one: Microsoft failed to secure Windows XP against malware and botnets, so all Windows XP users will now be redirected to Ubuntu.com when they try to access the internet through Internet Explorer.

That's quite a stretched analogy. A fully updated Windows XP computer will still be vulnerable to malware and botnets. That is because Windows, OS X, Android and Linux allow their users to install third party programs without whitelisting them. There is nothing stopping users from installing malware. OS X and Linux have less malware because they're not as popular as Windows and Android. That's opposite to iOS, Window…

On OSX you actually have to whitelist software as a user. If something doesn't come from an approved developer, user has to say "Yup, I really do actually want this to be able to run"

(unless we're talking things installed through homebrew, pip, gems and whatnot, but those aren't likely to be used by inexperienced users)

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

#149

Post by livingparadox »

DINKDINK wrote: post #93
Zancarius wrote: post #14

> On June 26, the court granted our request and made Microsoft the DNS authority for the company’s 23 free No-IP domains, allowing us to identify and route all known bad traffic to the Microsoft sinkhole and classify the identified threats. Something about this bothers me. So the courts granted MS the rights to essentially take over No-IP's DNS in order to "identify" ... "bad traffic?" The implications of this are...…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namecoin Distributed DNS is the only solution

It doesn't serve No-IP's market, because No-IP is for frequently changing IP addresses. Namecoin charges for each record change, to my knowledge.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

#150

Post by Dylan16807 »

MBCook wrote: post #135
zanny wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Our governments are so inept at fighting cyber-crime that instead of sending the request to a govt-regulated cyber-security unit they had to trust Microsoft's with the enforcement? That's sad. If this were true, I could sleep easier at night. I doubt it - the judge in question was probably just paid off or otherwise influenced to give MS just insane power, while probably being ignorant of networking in the first…

> the judge in question was probably just paid off or otherwise influenced That's a hell of an accusation.

'influenced' could just be fast-talking
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