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Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by devicenull »

lucb1e wrote: post #38
tokenizerrr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I understand it the problem is as follows: 1. Bad guys get a site behind cloudflare, and host illegal content 2. You want to report said bad guys to their host, for whatever reason. 3. You discover they use cloudflare. You now do not know where they are hosted. 4. Cloudflare will not tell you their actual IP addresses.

If it's illegal and you're harmed I'm sure you can sue the people who did it and CloudFlare will have to hand over IP addresses. But is it CloudFlare's duty to police the Internet? Like ISPs, I think they should be content neutral unless illegal content like child porn is being hosted. Merely talking about services is not illegal as far as I know; only performing the DDoS attacks is.

So, would you consider a site where you can click a button and have a DDOS attack launched for you to be illegal? Because that's exactly what's being referred to here, "DDOS-as-a-service".

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by vfclists »

cwyers wrote: post #57
nav1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because Windows XP is well over 10 years old. You can't possibly expect them to support it forever just because some organisations can't be bothered to upgrade.

"Software doesn't wear out or breakdown like a physical good" Well, uh, then why does Microsoft need to do anything, if it's still as good as they day it was first sold?

They need to fix the bugs that are being exploited by hackers. If major corporate customers are still receiving fixes why can't they be extended to every one else? After all it is the same software everyone is running.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by youaresolam3 »

ntakasaki wrote: post #66
teraflop wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Arguably the net effect in this particular case was positive, but I can easily imagine reading this press release in a parallel universe: "Today, Sony Pictures has upped the ante against global cybercrime, taking legal action to clean up piracy... We're taking YouTube to task as the owner of infrastructure frequently exploited by cybercriminals to infringe copyrights by uploading unauthorized movie clips... O…

Isn't that close to what happened to Mega Upload and domain handed over to the government?

The government seizing a domain is one thing, but a publicly traded company taking on this authority is a new low.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by devicenull »

efiftythree wrote: post #7
pktgen wrote: post #3

FWIW, in my experience, No-IP is very, very responsive and helpful to abuse complaints. Though that is the extent of my experience with them, I've never thought them to be actively harboring malicious activity (unlike, say, CloudFlare).

I use their service and am a bit concerned that I've not heard about this until now and taking a look at their blog/website I see no information about this.

Why would you expect them to be talking about this?

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by hendersoon »

It's just plain outrageous that this court order was granted. It essentially puts no-ip out of business when they were not complicit in anything illegal.

It took me 5 minutes to switch my completely legitimate hosts over to ddns.net. I'm sure the evil botnet owners have backup hostnames and will do the same, or more likely switch to another provider entirely.

The end result will be a short-lived dip in criminal activity over the next 72 hours or so, inconveniencing many thousands of legit users, and putting a completely innocent company out of business. Nice move, MS.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by vfclists »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #55
vfclists wrote: post #36

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Wholly predictable downvoting by anonymously cowardly Microsoft brown-nosers.

Fine. I downvoted you, and it's no longer anonymous. I downvoted you because both of your comments were filled with passionate garbage rather than any well-reasoned thought. I'd be willing to bet other downvoters were not simply cowardly Microsoft brown-nosers.

Which ever way you cut it technically speaking Microsoft runs the biggest botnet because they have control all the computers running Windows upgrade, and if they can't shut them down, they might as well fix them.

Whether you like it or not for better or worse a botnet is an economic resource whose value is not lost on Microsoft and sooner or later they are going to come up with a wheeze to exploit them.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by andor »

ntakasaki wrote: post #66
teraflop wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Arguably the net effect in this particular case was positive, but I can easily imagine reading this press release in a parallel universe: "Today, Sony Pictures has upped the ante against global cybercrime, taking legal action to clean up piracy... We're taking YouTube to task as the owner of infrastructure frequently exploited by cybercriminals to infringe copyrights by uploading unauthorized movie clips... O…

Isn't that close to what happened to Mega Upload and domain handed over to the government?

Of course a court can seize domains. But if an investigation follows, it should be carried out by the police, not by private companies (and especially not by the plaintiff).

At least that's what I'd expect from a constitutional state ;-)

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by mihai_ionic »

Zancarius wrote: post #14

> On June 26, the court granted our request and made Microsoft the DNS authority for the company’s 23 free No-IP domains, allowing us to identify and route all known bad traffic to the Microsoft sinkhole and classify the identified threats. Something about this bothers me. So the courts granted MS the rights to essentially take over No-IP's DNS in order to "identify" ... "bad traffic?" The implications of this are...…

This decision is very disturbing indeed.
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