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Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by OmarIsmail »

lutorm wrote: post #74

Do pros really want to store their photos "in the cloud"? I'm just an amateur and have ~500GB of photos. Uploading that much is almost impossible over a normal asymmetric home internet connection, and I imagine professional photographers must have multi-terabytes of data easily.

500GB would take about a week to upload? Maybe a couple of weeks?

Having the security and knowledge that 500GB of your precious photos are stored off-site multi-redundancy, blah blah, vs your own hard drives definitely seems worth it to me.

I mean, one flood and kiss 500GB of photos gone. That would be a very sad thing indeed.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by modfodder »

abruzzi wrote: post #65
ghshephard wrote: post #33

As a multiple-times-a-day Aperture user for the last several years - I'm really glad to hear this. Apple has made it abundantly clear, that they were longer going to invest any effort into Aperture, and so we're going to get the best of all worlds. The application is absolutely rock solid for me - most of the database crashes, and corruptions have stopped occurring for over a year - so in the interim, I have a produc…

My only hope is this doesn't turn into a FinalCut-type fiasco where what they consider the new "pro" isn't all that useful for pro. (Yes, I know more pros are on adobe lightroom, but I really hate renting software so I'm not going in that direction.)

As a professional editor and technical director, I hope Apple continues to innovate, trying to push their software into the future. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of NLEs that really don't offer much of a difference (which is where we were with FCP7, Avid, and Premiere several years ago). I want my tools to become better, faster and more efficient and sometimes that will mean I have a bit of a learning curve to adjust to the new tool. Regularly bouncing between the four major NLEs (really 3 major plus FCPX), FCPX has become the fastest and most efficient NLE for my workflow.

You mileage may vary in your desire to see your tools evolve, but I much prefer radical evolution, otherwise we'd still be cutting film on slightly upgraded Steenbecks and Moviolas.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by abruzzi »

Karunamon wrote: post #58
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #38

Unifying the integration with iCloud is okay, but that's really unfortunate. Apple kills a "pro" app while the "basic" apps lose features every new release. If you compare iMovie and iPhoto '09 to the latest ones it's a downgrade from every angle. Even GarageBand lost features, you could use plugins before. I'm afraid they will "transition" users to Photos in the sense they will let you import your Aperture library,…

Look at what happened with FCP, though. They released a new version, missing lots of features, and then future releases restored functionality. When you're doing a ground-up rewrite, it makes sense to get the basics working first.

However they radically changed the way the workflow works in ways that some (many?) users cant adapt to. I don't do much any more since I shuttered my production side business, but I can't use the current FCP. It's still (and will always be) missing some do-or-die features for me. The Apple Pro App that I really use though is Logic, and, please Apple--do not "improve" it.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by lukasb »

jonknee wrote: post #89
dublinben wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The copy of Lightroom you have right now isn't going to suddenly stop working, even if the next version becomes part of CC. If somehow it does fail to do the job for you in the future, you can switch to DarkTable, RawTherapee, CaptureOne, or any number of other programs.

It will stop working if you ever get a new camera. RAW formats are all different and Lightroom needs constant updates to support new camera models. It's a huge mess, the camera companies don't make the specs public and the formats change subtly with camera releases. Adobe obviously gets access to the formats, but open source tools are left to guess and it shows. I just had this burn me when I got a new camera (Panaso…

good lord, why don't the camera companies publish specs?

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by SourPatch »

jonknee wrote: post #89
dublinben wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The copy of Lightroom you have right now isn't going to suddenly stop working, even if the next version becomes part of CC. If somehow it does fail to do the job for you in the future, you can switch to DarkTable, RawTherapee, CaptureOne, or any number of other programs.

It will stop working if you ever get a new camera. RAW formats are all different and Lightroom needs constant updates to support new camera models. It's a huge mess, the camera companies don't make the specs public and the formats change subtly with camera releases. Adobe obviously gets access to the formats, but open source tools are left to guess and it shows. I just had this burn me when I got a new camera (Panaso…

You might want to play around with Darktable (http://www.darktable.org). I have no affiliation other than using it a bit. I use an Olympus EM-5 and it handles the raw files just fine.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by Bud »

iSnow wrote: post #71
mortenjorck wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even so worried about Adobe letting Lightroom languish as I am about them using their newfound monopoly position to at last move Lightroom into the mandatory Creative Cloud subscription model that ate the Creative Suite last year. As an enthusiast photographer and avid Lightroom user, there's no way I'm paying a recurring subscription for the same app when I'm not using it to make an income. That said, there'…

Apple never does simple/advanced mode UIs

Also, compare clicking on various Menu Bar items (or other UI features) with option-clicking on the same item. Apple has advanced little mini UIs all over the place.

Similarly, look at many current System Preferences panels in Mac OS X. The basic stuff most users need is up front, and the rest is hidden behind an "Advanced..." button.

I conclude that having an advanced mode, or various enhanced features accessed in different ways from the standard UI, is not inimical to Apple's approach or UI philosophy.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by mesh »

netcraft wrote: post #29
saidajigumi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, I will give credit to Adobe: since the transition to Creative Cloud and the new incremental release model I've felt that they've been much more responsive to actual customer needs. From an outsider's perspective, getting to this point seems to have been a cultural shift that took a lot of work to get to -- and they've been getting a ton of positive response to it. So I'm hopeful that Lightroom and…

I'm not sure I agree with you - they released Lightroom 5 around the same time as the CC transition, and as far as I can tell they haven't updated it since beyond support for new cameras and bug fixes, which I would have expected for lightroom 5 anyway. The last major update I can find is over a year ago now. They have released Lightroom Mobile but thats all I am aware of. I hope you are right though and that they do…

Whats new in Lightroom 5.0 to 5.5:

http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/whats-new.html

This includes a ton of new features, as well as the release of Lightroom mobile, web and sync services.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by georgemcbay »

jasomill wrote: post #77
Osmium wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a huge amount of largely unnoticed work that goes into simply keeping up with RAW formats for new cameras Could this be largely mitigated by only working with DNG files and letting Adobe handle the conversion? Their RAW->DNG converter is free after all.

Raw DNG is no more a standard for sensor data than MKV is a standard for video encoding. In other words, raw (as opposed to linear) DNG is basically a container format for sensor data and related metadata. So even assuming Adobe's DNG converter perfectly supports your camera, you still need code to handle its underlying sensor data format (your Bayer demosaicing code won't be much help in processing data from, e.g.,…

Yup, all true.

I think (generally speaking, for most people) that Linear DNG using the Adobe DNG conversion method asked about is probably sufficient, if inconvenient. Most people I know who shoot RAW do it for the high-bit-precision dynamic range and white balance adjustment capability, both of which Linear DNG preserves.

But there are very valid reasons not to want to settle for partial-baked DNGs. Personally I was converting my CR2s to DNGs at Lightroom import for a couple of years (since DNGs compress and take up much less disk space) but regretted that when Canon's DPP DLO got really useful and I was unable to easily get those DNGs back into DPP as RAW.

Now I'm a big fan of saving the actual camera RAW file as the 'digital negative' even if that means the files are bigger and the format is more likely to be 'obsolete' in the future (there will always be older versions of Adobe DNG converter and dcraw to use if that is ever a real issue for me).

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by interpol_p »

abruzzi wrote: post #65
ghshephard wrote: post #33

As a multiple-times-a-day Aperture user for the last several years - I'm really glad to hear this. Apple has made it abundantly clear, that they were longer going to invest any effort into Aperture, and so we're going to get the best of all worlds. The application is absolutely rock solid for me - most of the database crashes, and corruptions have stopped occurring for over a year - so in the interim, I have a produc…

My only hope is this doesn't turn into a FinalCut-type fiasco where what they consider the new "pro" isn't all that useful for pro. (Yes, I know more pros are on adobe lightroom, but I really hate renting software so I'm not going in that direction.)

I really like what Apple did with FCP X and use it quite a lot. I'm probably in the minority though.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by jonknee »

SourPatch wrote: post #95
jonknee wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will stop working if you ever get a new camera. RAW formats are all different and Lightroom needs constant updates to support new camera models. It's a huge mess, the camera companies don't make the specs public and the formats change subtly with camera releases. Adobe obviously gets access to the formats, but open source tools are left to guess and it shows. I just had this burn me when I got a new camera (Panaso…

You might want to play around with Darktable ( http://www.darktable.org ). I have no affiliation other than using it a bit. I use an Olympus EM-5 and it handles the raw files just fine.

I have an E-M5 too (great camera!), but it has been out quite a while which helps out. It's still not perfect though, the color is off a bit for the E-M5's RAW images (.ORF). The GH4 images are unusable in Darktable, they look they have been through an Instagram filter. This is straight off the camera in both Darktable and Lightroom:

http://i.imgur.com/6v0mbUb.jpg

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