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Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by autokad »

opendais wrote: post #249
Consultant32452 wrote: post #210

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Google sells you a device so they can show you an ad encouraging you to buy a rake. In turn Google gets a sliver of the profits from selling a rake in the form of ad revenue. Amazon sells you a device so they can show you an ad encouraging you to buy a rake. Amazon sells you the rake, has it delivered in 2 days, and makes 100% of the profit. It's not that people will actively look for that integration, but that it ex…

This is false in Amazon's case. Amazon sells you a rake made by a 3rd party who was put into FBA by a wholesaler and makes a reasonable cut of the profit in the process. Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong. Tbh, as someone who works at a business who does both the ads & selling stuff via Amazon as a manufacturer...Google actually makes more money off of us than Amazon does. I don…

- Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong.

that would make it sound like amazon's current business model isnt working, which I think its doing pretty well. Amazon has razor thin margins for sure

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by autokad »

spankalee wrote: post #264
drcode wrote: post #176

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You make a good point: Apple: Sell at high price, modest tie-in revenue. Google: Sell at low price, modest tie-in revenue. Amazon: Sell at low price, high tie-in revenue. It does seem like Amazon is bound to win in the long run, based on pure economics, if this trend continues.

I don't get this assumption. All three same basically the same content at presumably roughly the same margins.

no, Appple margins- HUGE, Amazon margins - small (like a few hundred million on 50 billion top line). Google is somewhere in between. On content, they deliver content very differently. delivery is important

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by opendais »

autokad wrote: post #361
opendais wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false in Amazon's case. Amazon sells you a rake made by a 3rd party who was put into FBA by a wholesaler and makes a reasonable cut of the profit in the process. Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong. Tbh, as someone who works at a business who does both the ads & selling stuff via Amazon as a manufacturer...Google actually makes more money off of us than Amazon does. I don…

- Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong. that would make it sound like amazon's current business model isnt working, which I think its doing pretty well. Amazon has razor thin margins for sure

That isn't what I meant.

Amazon's business model works. It just doesn't take "100% of the profits" by any stretch of the imagination.

Sorry if that was unclear.

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by autokad »

autokad wrote: post #361
opendais wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false in Amazon's case. Amazon sells you a rake made by a 3rd party who was put into FBA by a wholesaler and makes a reasonable cut of the profit in the process. Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong. Tbh, as someone who works at a business who does both the ads & selling stuff via Amazon as a manufacturer...Google actually makes more money off of us than Amazon does. I don…

- Amazon has more control but also takes all the blame when things go wrong. that would make it sound like amazon's current business model isnt working, which I think its doing pretty well. Amazon has razor thin margins for sure

ops, yeah i get you now

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by asafira »

personZ wrote: post #245
asafira wrote: post #127

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Why does this seem to be targeted at Android? If anything, I would say the price differential between this and good android phones reflects that it might be more an iphone competitor if anything, and so it seems to be more targeted at Apple.

I would say the price differential between this and good android phones The Galaxy S5 is a $600 device. The HTC One is a $600 device. The LG G3 is a $600 device. The iPhone is a $600 device. I'm not seeing the price differential. However, the notion that this competes with either Android or the iPhone is utter nonsense, and we saw exactly the same noise with the Kindle Fire. People seem to have some need to try to as…

Other android phones: Moto phones are So you would say this competes with nothing though?

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by asafira »

nailer wrote: post #305
personZ wrote: post #238

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iPhone has the build quality though. This is rubber and glass, not metal. "Build quality" is such a meaningless term in common usage of smartphones, and speaks to personal subjective aesthetics, not some utility of purpose. And this is all particularly interesting given that there's a good chance a significant part of the new iPhones will be made with plastic. But I'm sure it'll be a "better" plastic.

Rubber objectively ages worse than metal. Glass is objectively more fragile.

I don't think you are using "objectively" right here. It could very well be my opinion that rubber actually ages better, because it scratches far less than metal does. Subjective though.

...so build quality is hard to quantify, and in most practical cases is subjective.

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by asafira »

ignoramous wrote: post #216
asafira wrote: post #66

My two cents: First, I'm actually surprised as to how much they are selling the dynamic perspective, and I think I'm actually more interested in how well firefly works. Dynamic perspective may be very "cool", but I'm not convinced it's not just another fad --- will it change the way I work with my device? Will it empower people? I don't see it as a transformative technology, and it's almost as gimmicky as (if not as…

3P Android apps will not have access to the "other 4" cameras. As for the battery life, there have been some amazing initiatives and innovations to squeeze every ounce of juice from it. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats claimed on Amazon.com were indeed right. Disclaimer: I work for Amazon, but I do not represent them, or speak on their behalf.

I hope the battery stats are right, but I would guess they probably aren't. Overestimating the battery life seems to be an industry standard thing =/

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by JVIDEL »

opendais wrote: post #282
sharkweek wrote: post #280

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Amazon hardly takes all the blame when something goes wrong - they mostly just discretely recoup from the vendor all while looking like a benevolent company.

Eh, I suppose. Personally, I have a very much love/hate relationship with Amazon and I blame them, not the vendor. I've had to issue a chargeback because of Amazon's incompetence...which most customer's probably haven't. It is literally the second chargeback I've ever had to do in my life, so it tends to stick with me more than it might for other people.

My problem is the price: at $199 with contract is going against a lot of much better phones.

The eye tracking is nothing new and 3D as a sale gimmick crashed and burned years ago and I don't amazon doing anything revolutionary with it here.

If it were $200 unlocked then I can see it selling like crazy, but the current plan makes no sense, if amazon was providing the service as a MVNO and offered stuff like truly unlimited data and stuff then maybe, just maybe, but $199 for this phone and on AT&T? PASS....

Re: Amazon Fire Phone

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Post by sundvor »

Slightly off topic regarding the phone, however still related to Amazon: As an e-reader enthusiast, I was scanning the news this morning hoping there'd be a new Kindle e-ink / e-paper reader announced. Alas, there's no news on this front yet?

Currently I have the old DXG and the first Paperwhite, having also had the unit preceding the Paperwhite. Whilst the Paperwhite is fantastic for novels, the DXG whilst nice and big is dragging its heels now with no software updates in a long time.

I am wishing for an even higher higher resolution screen with colour for reading technical books (some illustrations tend to become unreadable in grey-scale), and reintroduction of side buttons.

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