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Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by coev » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 7:53 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #104

yen223 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debit cards are the same as credit cards, but without the credit, the protections, or the reward points. As long as you can maintain financial discipline, there's really no reason to be using a debit card.

Credit cards can cost more for merchants to process, sometimes they pass this cost onto the consumer with a credit card surcharge. It's also easier to track your spending on a debit card as you can check the remaining balance at any ATM rather than waiting for the bill or going online.

Every place I've been to that surcharges credit cards also tries to do it to debit (see gas stations) so your line of reasoning there is suspect.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by tedchs » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 8:20 PM UTC

geerlingguy wrote: post #4

This is great news; I have, for the past few years, been moving all my lower-end VPSes from Linode to Digital Ocean. I recently told a Linode rep at DrupalCon that I would start moving servers back as soon as they had a lower-cost plan, and it looks like Linode has delivered. Very few of my servers need more than 1 GB RAM, and the CPU and SSDs perform similarly across DO and Linode (for my purposes). I'll still be us…

For the folks using Digital Ocean, have you considered Ramnode? $18 per year for their ultra-tiny plan, "OpenVZ SSD VPS (SVZ v2) - Atlanta - 128MB SVZ". I kinda love a company that constantly posts a 25% discount code on their own homepage. :)

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by zxer » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 8:24 PM UTC

chc wrote: post #89

DasIch wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just transfer the money from your bank account to the bank account of the merchant. There are various methods to do that, I prefer giropay[1]. If it's a merchant you regularly use like amazon you allow the merchant to directly withdraw[2] the money from your account. It's not like this is some weird highly advanced stuff. Surely that's possible in the US as well? [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giropay [2]: htt…

It is not generally possible to do this in the US. Amazon allows it, but most places do not because it's not a very in-demand service — using cards is safer and easier than giving out your bank information, so not very many people insist on the latter.

How could a bank transfer be less safe? I don't know the US system but if I give out my bank account number the only thing someone can use it for is to send money to me.

On the other hand if someone malicious gets my credit card number they can use it to buy stuff and I have to go through a lot of trouble to get a new card.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by tedchs » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 8:26 PM UTC

guylhem wrote: post #55

I'm new to linode. What is their outgoing bandwidth policy? I mean, is it possible to automatically set up a throttle, to avoid charges when going over 2TB? (or do I have to fiddle with iptables to find a way to do that). Also, do you know if it's possible to get a /48 IPv6? On https://library.linode.com/networking/ipv6 they only mention /56 I'd hate to run a HE tunnelbroker just because they don't support that :-/ (…

I filed a ticket for a /48 and their support set it up for me. I didn't use it heavily but it worked very well; I basically made my own personal tunnel broker. :) A /56 still gives you (64-56)^2 = 64 /64's, and I wouldn't think you'd want to run more than 64 tunnels through one box anyway.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by grey-area » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 9:01 PM UTC

erikano wrote: post #38

zapt02 wrote: post #5

Linode is taking up the fight with DigitalOcean! With Linodes great reputation I'm sure a lot of people on DO will be trying their service in the coming weeks.

I have a VPS with DigitalOcean and for some reason, logging in over SSH takes disturbingly long. I may decide to switch over to Linode with these new prices.

This may be an issue with ssh trying to resolve reverse DNS on your server - you can check by turning off UseDNS in ssh settings and logging in again.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 9:17 PM UTC

phaedryx wrote: post #68

misterbwong wrote: post #36

What does everyone use these low-end plans for? Seeing the interest in this thread has gotten me curious.

A minecraft server so that my kids can play with a couple of their friends.

I'd be interested in this - how easy was it to set up, is there an image or something that one can use so I don't have to worry about iptables rules and things but can just spin up an instance and go?

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by chc » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 9:40 PM UTC

zxer wrote: post #113

chc wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not generally possible to do this in the US. Amazon allows it, but most places do not because it's not a very in-demand service — using cards is safer and easier than giving out your bank information, so not very many people insist on the latter.

How could a bank transfer be less safe? I don't know the US system but if I give out my bank account number the only thing someone can use it for is to send money to me. On the other hand if someone malicious gets my credit card number they can use it to buy stuff and I have to go through a lot of trouble to get a new card.

In the US, an account + routing number pair is basically the keys to the kingdom. Yes, it is kind of scary.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by jauer » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 9:41 PM UTC

zxer wrote: post #113

chc wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not generally possible to do this in the US. Amazon allows it, but most places do not because it's not a very in-demand service — using cards is safer and easier than giving out your bank information, so not very many people insist on the latter.

How could a bank transfer be less safe? I don't know the US system but if I give out my bank account number the only thing someone can use it for is to send money to me. On the other hand if someone malicious gets my credit card number they can use it to buy stuff and I have to go through a lot of trouble to get a new card.

It's somewhat the opposite in the US. With your bank routing and account number someone can make out bad checks or EFT pull from your account. Halting or reversing this can be quite difficult and in some cases it isn't possible to get your money back.

With credit cards the liability is on the merchant that accepts the card to verify that the person presenting the card is authorized to use it. Card issuers will reverse charges and leave the merchant out the money in the event of fraud.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by rschoon » Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 11:58 PM UTC

spurofthemoment wrote: post #94

misterbwong wrote: post #36

What does everyone use these low-end plans for? Seeing the interest in this thread has gotten me curious.

VPSes with 1 GB of RAM are more than enough to host a couple of web apps (depending on traffic of course) with Python, PHP, or similar setups. When Linode started out, their bottom offering was actually 512 MB if I remember correctly, and SliceHost (later Rackspace Cloud) had 256 MB offerings.

From a quick peek at their announcements from long ago, it looks like they used to run 64MB as the smallest size, but this was, of course, back in 2003/2004.

Until 2008 or 2009, they were also still using UML, instead of XEN.

Re: 11th Linode Birthday, $10 Linode plan

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Post by AjithAntony » Tue, Jun 17, 2014, 12:13 AM UTC

coev wrote: post #111

jiggy2011 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit cards can cost more for merchants to process, sometimes they pass this cost onto the consumer with a credit card surcharge. It's also easier to track your spending on a debit card as you can check the remaining balance at any ATM rather than waiting for the bill or going online.

Every place I've been to that surcharges credit cards also tries to do it to debit (see gas stations) so your line of reasoning there is suspect.

I don't have a source to cite, but I think in general, Debit cards swiped as credit cost the merchant the same or maybe more. There are some recent court decisions that may have capped these.

High fees for this stuff is the reason by so many banks changed their retail business model to things like Totally free checking(when you make 12 debit card purchases each month).