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That defeats the purpose of the license. It's not like a driver's license where the goal is to establish some baseline level of competency, it's there specifically to limit the number of taxis/liquor stores/etc.
In many areas it is just like a drivers license and that regime works pretty well. It's a weird desire to arbitrary limit licenses. What's the purpose of that? Limiting the number of sellers doesn't really do much to limit buyers or consumption. It sounds like a bad idea that's carried forward out of momentum not something that needs to be fixed. It should be replaced with the better approach.
Rum Deal: America’s booze laws are terrible
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#122You should try Canada's laws for a while. Some of the highest taxes on alcohol in the world, almost no province allows drinking outside homes or licensed establishments (so be prepared for a $300+ fine for having wine at a picnic). All of this managed through archaic licensing systems run by bureaucratic power-tripping morons.
Why not try laws from countries that aren't worse. Some European countries have a fairly sensible approach.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder what could be done to help fight this. Not just for alcohol, but regulatory capture in general. Network neutrality is in the same boat. Other than having a generic consumer advocate lobbying group, what could be done?
Fix campaign financing laws to limit the power of money in politics. The only reason the politicians listen to the impassioned few over the apathetic many is because the impassioned few are willing to supply the money needed to get reelected. Fix that, and politicians will start representing the interests of the broadest swathe of the electorate or, gasp , voting with their conscience based on what seems like the rig…
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> Then again, even the Irish are getting irritated with the Brits coming over to Dublin to get pissed and get in fist fights in the street and causing other bits of ruckus. Stuff like this was the impetus for the federalized drinking age in the US.
It's only sort of federalized though: The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress. It punished every state that allowed persons below 21 years to purchase and publicly possess alcoholic beverages by reducing its annual federal highway apportionment by ten percent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_A... (I'm posting…
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Sure. But it's not illegal to distill alcohol for fuel--or any of the other various laboratory operations that are similarly dangerous. If that reason had anything to do with the law, it would be a fire code thing. No, the real reason is a coalition between moral purity (left over from the temperance movement) and revenue protection. Ever heard of "Baptists and bootleggers"? Same thing, except the bootleggers are the…
If you want to distill fuel alcohol, you do need a permit. Without a permit, it's illegal. I mentioned fire in relation to a "problem" with home distilling, not as a legal issue, although fire codes related to distilling are quite extensive and restrictive. I also mentioned the revenue issue in several other comments. The so-called "moral" issue is generally only relevant to consumption, not distilling, and only at t…
But the only reason you need a federal permit for making the fuel is so you don't go making any demon rum on the sly and avoiding the tax.
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#126Okay, what the heck is with this business of secondary markets for licenses in the US? You can sell a liquor license? You can sell a taxi license (aka medallion)? Why? How does treating licenses as property make any legal sense, or serve any public good? In the UK, if you want to sell booze from your shop, you write to the council and apply for a license. They check you and your shop out, and if you seem okay, they g…
Fun fact about the UK. In order to get a license to drive a taxi in London, applicants need to pass an extensive test. Passing the test takes years of preparation and multiple attempts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_the_United_Kingdom#...
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That appears to be with regard to employment discrimination. I wouldn't be surprised if there were slightly different standards for serving customers, etc.
I don't think there is any prohibition on age discrimination for public accommodations. Title II of the Civil Rights Act forbids discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act covers discrimination on the basis of disabilities, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing public accommodations from discriminating based on age. The Age Di…
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#128I remember trying to buy more than two 40oz bottles of malt liquor when I was in the USA. It made me laugh as it's only about as strong as Carlsberg Special Brew, and my Nan drinks that.
Are you saying you weren't allowed to? If so, why not? You can walk into any random liquor store that I'm aware of and buy gallons of beer or hard liquor if you want to
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#129Okay, what the heck is with this business of secondary markets for licenses in the US? You can sell a liquor license? You can sell a taxi license (aka medallion)? Why? How does treating licenses as property make any legal sense, or serve any public good? In the UK, if you want to sell booze from your shop, you write to the council and apply for a license. They check you and your shop out, and if you seem okay, they g…
> How on earth do you get from there to licenses being a kind of property? How on earth do you prevent it? You need to provide stable access to licenses, so that if Joe drives a cab he doesn't end up jobless next year because he lost the taxi license lotto. Suddenly Joe has something he can sell, access to his license. Say we tie the license to the person driving the cab then Lucky cabs can't fire a bad driver becaus…
If anything, arguably it's worse for Joe if Lucky Cabs owns his medallion and also has the opportunity to sell at a profit, and Lucky Cabs are similarly badly off if their drivers own the medallions but don't particularly care for keeping customers happy (perhaps because they're counting down the years til they can sell the medallion on for an order of magnitude more than they originally paid for it).
If you want to encourage flexibility in licenses which are short term leased rather than "owned" you can even give holders the option of pro rata rebates (at the price paid) for trading them in early to encourage people that aren't using their licence to return them.
Basically, the city is in total control of the terms on which medallions can be leased and can collect the full market value of the medallions itself; to not do so is economically indefensible, unless you think giving cash windfalls to its original taxi drivers and speculators is high on the list of civic priorities
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#130Philip K. Howard has a new book out: The Rule of Nobody. (Note: I haven't read it, I've just seen a few interviews and considered buying the book.) The premise is that the fact that laws are constantly added but almost never removed is crippling us. Also, unfair laws are almost always unfair in someone's favor, and the groups benefiting will defend those unfair laws tooth-and-nail, and the morass of laws becomes even…