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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by olavgg »

virtualritz wrote: post #247
apendleton wrote: post #209

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Sorry, but 5 hours on an ultrabook is not competitive. Current Macbook Airs are rated for 12 hours with normal use, and third-party testing has found 10 to be realistic. demallien is right. Nobody on the Linux side has done this kind of aggressive power engineering for consumer-oriented x86 hardware. Google might, for Chromebooks, but it's not clear how portable that will be to the rest of the ecosystem.

Apple states 9h for a contemporary 13" MBP. Mine (two weeks old) runs for 4h max, if I do any serious work on it. If I switch Wifi off an dim the screen, I can get 6-7h out of it. The machine is dual boot as I'm using it to develop software that targets both OS X & Linux. I run a Gentoo with all kernel- and other power saving features enabled, on a 2nd partition. The time I get out of the battery on OS X vs Gentoo is…

I have a shiny new MBP too, but I have no problems getting 9-10 hours from it by just browsing the web(with safari) and watching videos.

IntelliJ however eats some of my battery pwoer, but I still manage 7 hours or full work day.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by kalleboo »

amirmc wrote: post #171
crozewski wrote: post #110

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Sending SMSs from Address Book was a phenomenal feature. A shame that they yanked it years ago. Good to see its return.

I remember that that I could do far more with my Sony Ericsson W800 (and Salling Clicker) than I could with my first iPhone. Dialing numbers from the address book, sending and receiving SMSs while the phone was in my bag/pocket, turning the screen saver on and pausing music if I left the area - and reverting on return. Apart from the UI polish, this was the least impressive part of keynote (at least for me) as those…

Salling Clicker was the biggest thing I missed in the switch from so-called "dumb phones" to smartphones.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by kyle_t »

wting wrote: post #205
demallien wrote: post #161

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

My 15" rMBP running Mavericks randomly reboots on occasion, and to this day still requires me to manually disable / enable WiFi almost every time I open the lid. Meanwhile Homebrew is a poor substitute for aptitude and PPAs, multi-monitor support is relatively poor (xmonad excels here), and the Apple keyboard is missing a bunch of keys I use on a regular basis.

This. People sing to the heavens of how stable OSX is and how it just works. I've had as many if not more issues than with my Windows 7 Samsung laptop.

Wifi constantly needs manually disabling/enabling, Bluetooth Audio crashes are common, I average one full system crash per month, display settings reset themselves magically and Finder is infuriating. I should be keeping a log of all the issues I have.

This is on a 2014 Macbook Pro.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by raverbashing »

peedy wrote: post #270
demallien wrote: post #161

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

> At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics card that the system can't figure out how to use! And the wifi Just Works(tm), unlike the Ubuntu laptop that I had before that. You can write a udev rule for that

> You can write a udev rule for that

Yes, please, let me spend time fixing distro BS instead of, you know, working.

I don't remember any time when Wifi worked out-of-the-box in my previous Linux laptop. It worked if I did things manually (wpa-supplicant and stuff), the NM widget? Never worked and made things harder

Another issue: opening and closing the lid doesn't have a consistent result, and sometimes it just keeps the laptop running.

This is for the basic functionality, and sometimes even things that worked before stop working.

Older distros had to be more manually configured, but when that was done it was good to go, today it is even harder to shut down the non-working stuff.

So yeah, it's Mac for me from now on. Recovery from Time Machine needed some "Linux style hacking" once, but apart from that it's a breeze

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by [deleted] »

peedy wrote: post #270
demallien wrote: post #161

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

> At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics card that the system can't figure out how to use! And the wifi Just Works(tm), unlike the Ubuntu laptop that I had before that. You can write a udev rule for that

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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by Perceval »

OWaz wrote: post #202
currysausage wrote: post #30

Am I the only one here who hates to see Lucida Grande be replaced with Neue Helvetica Aslightaspossible? Eager to see how it looks on non-retina displays.

I'm with you. Helvetica Neue in the screenshots looks like placeholder text, waiting for some better typeface to be applied.

Gruber seems to think that they have been developing an in-house font called Apple Sans: http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by tvon »

super_mario wrote: post #262
jamra wrote: post #226

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I'm running Yosemite now. The same feel you get from iOS 7 UI is prevalent in the OS. They flattened the window headers. They flattened the toolbar on the bottom. They flattened the status bar on top. It makes for more of a content-focused approach. The translucency they speak of is in regards to the side menus in apps. In order to give a dynamic feel to the UI, they added some translucency like they have in some iOS…

How does the "dark mode" look like? What does it apply to? Can you please post some screeshots?

I don't think the `dark mode` is in the beta, or if it is I can't seem to find it.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by bombtrack »

snowwrestler wrote: post #261
crag wrote: post #240

I'd be happy if they fixed Mail's connection to Exchange (drops randomly - a know issue), or the terribly slow SMB - mounting Windows drives is just a nightmare. There is a fix, more like a hack really, forcing the OS to use an earlier version of SMB. Fix those two and I'm there.

Are you talking about Mavericks? I'm still on Mountain Lion and Windows drives take a little while, but I wouldn't call it a nightmare. I guess what I'm asking is: did SMB get worse on Mavericks?

Yes, Mavericks started using SMB2 which has many reported performance issues [0]. Most people experiencing it can work around this by using cifs:// instead of smb:// or disabling SMB2 and reverting to using SMB1 [1].

[0] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470025?start=0&tstart=... [1] http://cammodude.blogspot.com/2013/10/os-x-109-mavericks-wor...

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by [deleted] »

aroman wrote: post #113
eurleif wrote: post #80

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html

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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by [deleted] »

aroman wrote: post #113
eurleif wrote: post #80

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html

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