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The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

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Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

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I am a 34-year old male virgin. There's nothing bad about this. You guys make way too big a deal about it. I always here people talk about sex like they'll die without it, but it's just not that important.

> I am a 34-year old male virgin. There's nothing bad about this. So far so good. That's perfectly fine; I'm cool with that -- and a lot of HN readership probably is too. I doubt there's a ton of intolerant people here who go, "WHAT? A 34 year old male virgin ? No way, get out!" > You guys make way too big a deal about it. I always here people talk about sex like they'll die without it, but it's just not that importa…

You are forgetting or don't see that society at large does exactly the thing. Every time coworkers/peers/acquaintances learn that someone is a virgin at mid-life he or she goes through proactive bashing to stop that and have a partner or become a parent. I saw this on too many occasions for it to be random and irrelevant rant. People are actually pressured into having sex.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#52

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I am a 34-year old male virgin. There's nothing bad about this. You guys make way too big a deal about it. I always here people talk about sex like they'll die without it, but it's just not that important.

well, society sells sex as an "important part of your balanced healthy life". Ergo, if you're not getting it, there must be something wrong with you.

Yeah, and it also sells consumerism, promiscuity, ignorance and addictions. :)

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#54

Are there a lot of virgins on here or something? Why is this on the front page?

Well let's see.

- The surplus of males in Silicon Valley is a rather well known thing. NYC has the opposite problem.

- CS/Engineering majors also have this problem.

- Many in the tech industry label themselves as having aspergers.

There's a startup trying to take advantage of this problem.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/03/07/dating-sta...

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#55
30 here. Just for the purpose of stats and to give some idea of who is writing this since it's a throwaway and I'm not willing to link to my social profiles (you'll just have to trust me), I have always gotten quite a bit of female attention, even more now as age has done me well I'd say. I get quite a few "first messages" (they initiated conversation) from attractive women on certain dating sites.

With that out of the way, I'm also a "traditional virgin" at the moment. I say that because there's more than one sex act, and therefore more than one kind of virginity. The why for me has nothing to do with looks or personality, it's more a combination of not wanting to be too close with certain girls/women I was seeing when I was younger, life circumstances, etc.

I also don't see sex as a casual thing, it's very much a relationship intimacy thing for me, emotionally. I also don't see virginity as something to "get rid of" as fast as possible, so I simply haven't worried about it all that much.

I don't fit the "unattractive, awkward virgin" category even a little bit, so perhaps I can offer some experience on what the women I've dated actually think about being a virgin at this age when the other factors are removed.

The women I've been seeing and dating recently have varied opinions about it, as you'd expect.

One woman had a very negative opinion of anyone who was still a virgin beyond their mid 20s (even her female friends). We knew each other very well so I can say that she was looking for experience, did not want to have to "train" someone, etc. I had to stop seeing her for other reasons (read: run) before this particular "I'm a virgin" conversation ever took place though. I imagine it would have gone poorly.

Another woman I'm actively seeing simply does not care about my being a virgin. At all. This isn't uncommon.

Another thinks it's "admirable" (I think partly because I told her the same thing I said in the 3rd paragraph). That reaction isn't too uncommon either in my experience.

In my experience (n = < 20), some women will care (a lot, and reject you for it), some won't. It isn't going to be a problem with everyone, and as long as you aren't clueless (educate yourself...) and don't think sex is exactly like porn, it will just be slightly awkward rather than a total nightmare for both of you.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a 34-year old male virgin. There's nothing bad about this. You guys make way too big a deal about it. I always here people talk about sex like they'll die without it, but it's just not that important.

> I am a 34-year old male virgin. There's nothing bad about this. So far so good. That's perfectly fine; I'm cool with that -- and a lot of HN readership probably is too. I doubt there's a ton of intolerant people here who go, "WHAT? A 34 year old male virgin ? No way, get out!" > You guys make way too big a deal about it. I always here people talk about sex like they'll die without it, but it's just not that importa…

> I doubt there's a ton of intolerant people here who go, "WHAT? A 34 year old male virgin? No way, get out!"

Maybe not here, but it in society in general, that is unfortunately an extremely common attitude. You're supposed to have as much sex as you can, and if you don't, there's something wrong with you. It's a stupid and harmful attitude, but it doesn't seem to be going away.

I mean, sex is nice, but there are plenty of things better than sex. The context of the sex matters a lot too, yet society tells us that any sex is better than no sex.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#57
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The thought occurred to me while reading this that there are probably lots of 33-year-old non-virgins who nevertheless have not had the caring relationship this man wants. I think the sex is irrelevant. Although I'd have to advise this guy to just go get laid so it's not a sticking point in his relationships. And it's just fun. Go have fun with someone. It's sex, not a rocket launch.

Throwaway. Correct for part. I'm in a similar situation, but only 28. Five years to go. Twelve to a movie. In my mind—and this is entirely anecdotal—sex and relationships are merely a checkpoint for the life of a person. It's nothing more than a signifier, of which people place a negative connotation on being a virgin. I'm not here by choice, but by inability to progress against these signifiers. While I agree with y…

> It's nothing more than a signifier, of which people place a negative connotation on being a virgin.

That's strongly correlated with age. Below a certain age it is expected that you are a virgin, then there is a gray area and then above a certain age it is expected that your not.

Because we define 'normal' as 'what everybody does' being an outlier in this is perceived as negative, as if there is something wrong with you. That does not mean there is (or isn't), it just means that's how it will be perceived, it's a strike against that only gets stronger as you age.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

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Indeed. To me, sex is the ultimate intimacy and I can't really imagine doing it on a casual basis, nor do I think I'd enjoy that very much. Sex as an expression of deep commitment to another person is one of the best experiences two people can share. But I can empathize with the subject in the OP. After several painful breakups and the ultimate, a failed marriage, I'm done with it. I don't care if I ever have sex aga…

If it's that bad, you need to take that as evidence that your attitudes of sex lead to problems, not the advice to have fun.

Consider that he may just have had a streak of bad luck rather than to jump to conclusions. Life can be pretty harsh and if you're hit with a series of blows then it is natural to try to avoid further blows, it is way out of line to point to that as 'evidence' that you have an attitude problem. That's the sort of thing reserved for people who have never had a streak of bad luck, which is great but that does not mean it holds across the board. Shit really does happen, and some people have more of it in their lives than they deserve. Note that I'm explicitly not talking about myself here, but I have some examples in my circle of friends that have received a disproportionate amount of bad luck and I can see how it affects them. Some are lucky, some are unlucky, it can't be helped and is no proof of 'attitude' or anything like that without knowing a lot more about the individual.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

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Also on a throwaway with only six years until the movie. I never understood why people make such a big deal over this. It's far more important to me to have it be the right person and time than to do it just because everybody else says you should. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that the right person and the right time may never come. I'm okay with that.

Throwaway; I'm 14 years away from the movie and I couldn't agree more with this point. I still have yet to have sex, any physical relations (cuddling, holding hands etc), have a girlfriend, or really feel real emotional attraction towards another person in a romantic capacity (as I understand it), and yet I feel perfectly fulfilled and don't at all question my masculinity. I used to get upset about not having a gf /…

I'm inclined to agree with you personally.

That said, I came to see relationships and the intimacy that comes with it as very valuable once I 'tried' it, despite the fact that said relationships were, to a large degree, painful. I learned a tremendous amount from them, and there were a lot of benefits I didn't really understand before.

My approach is that something I haven't tried before is worth trying, especially if it's a 'common' thing. But at the same time I feel doing so because it's a 'common' thing is not the best of motivations.

Re: The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturous if you let it be

#60
This seems to be generalizing (and possibly moralizing) from one person's experience, which is always dangerous. This clearly establishes that some people get along fine without sex, for some definition of fine. That is an important point, and probably something we need better social understanding of. It does not establish that this is true of all people and those bothered just need to suck it up.

Though it should go without saying that shooting people (or rape or even manipulation) is not an appropriate response.

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