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They're not cruel because they're sexist, they're sexist because they're cruel.
How can you know that? That seems like wishful thinking to me.
It's kinda sad that she has to call out Netguru as someplace safe for women. Honestly, I think it's just a bit of moral panic brought on by a few high profile stories. I've been in and out of a lot of organizations and never witnessed female colleagues being given a hard time. A few instances of creepy guy behavior, but I've also seen guys get bothered by creepy gay guy behavior. That's not unique to the programmer w…
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To be clear. You're saying apparent skew by sex of characteristics is simply down to inequitable consideration of the populations? So, for example, men aren't in any way - as a population - stronger, say, and so more capable as bricklayers [in general] it's just that we're not analysing the populations properly? So, you'd warrant that arm strength, which follows a close correlation with sex (ie if your arms are able…
That's not what you asked. What you first asked was simple, with a simple answer: if all else is considered equal, the best practitioners are statistically most likely to come from the largest population. What you're asking now sounds just as uninteresting. "The population higher in testosterone makes better bricklayers? Call the Nobel committee!" It's true, you can set up giant psych experiments to demonstrate prett…
So as USA has a slightly greater female population the best practitioners of anything, say, will be female?
>"The population higher in testosterone makes better bricklayers? [...]" //
My point is that whilst I find that completely uncontentious and largely unremarkable it's the equivalent assertion that in other fields no one sex can in any way be said to be better, eg based on biological principles, that feminism trumps scientific observation that there are actual differences in the sexes that can manifest themselves in different occupational abilities (across a population).
This is writ large in the assertion which is often found that because there are fewer of one sex than the other in a given occupation there is sexism involved rather than there being the possibility of a sex bias in ability or desire to participate. I might also note that it's almost exclusively "too few females" in higher-paid jobs that are male dominated but that the proponents never seem bothered by their being "too few females" in lower paid jobs or "too few males" in higher-paid female dominated occupations.
>eugenics* //
We're pretty far away from that in asserting that observation of populations show that traits often have a statistical sexual bias. Surely so-called "positive discrimination" is far closer to eugenics than my laissez-faire approach of not concerning ourselves with the sex of people in any occupation but instead providing equal opportunities to the sexes to enter careers their personal inclinations and proclivities favour.
Though TBH I'd be happy to entertain the debate over whether reproduction should be supported by states along more meritocratic lines in order to avoid breeding the population away from desirable traits. So now you can justify commenting on eugenics to me as at least related to concepts I'm happy to explore.
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Honestly I was expecting a little more meat in the article, and it turned out not to be primarily an article. On the other hand, I'd love to work with female programmers more. The one I had the pleasure to work with had good insight, took care of legacy code like only a mother can, and documented every wtf line tenfold. There might be tasks men are genetically more suited to, but women could also bring a lot to the t…
there are jobs where men are genetically more suited for but we don't have to hunt bare hands anymore so it's not a big problem nowadays
A decent coder is far from the competency profile of an average person of their gender anyway, so that average is not even relevant.
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That's not what you asked. What you first asked was simple, with a simple answer: if all else is considered equal, the best practitioners are statistically most likely to come from the largest population. What you're asking now sounds just as uninteresting. "The population higher in testosterone makes better bricklayers? Call the Nobel committee!" It's true, you can set up giant psych experiments to demonstrate prett…
> if all else is considered equal, the best practitioners are statistically most likely to come from the largest population. // So as USA has a slightly greater female population the best practitioners of anything, say, will be female? > "The population higher in testosterone makes better bricklayers? [...]" // My point is that whilst I find that completely uncontentious and largely unremarkable it's the equivalent a…
Is all else considered equal here? Obviously not.
As for the rest, any results are guaranteed to be biased and I have a hard time seeing any meaningful purpose (other than discrimination of course). Not interested. Have fun with it, try not to hurt anyone.
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I am an Indian who has had (multiple) people say ( a version of) "Go back to answering phones" There will always be bigots and douchebags everywhere. People who say this stuff don't matter to me and people who matter do say shit like that.
It's good that you're strong enough, mature enough, wise enough to ignore that kind of idiocy. The problem is for the weaker, younger, more naive person that hears it and takes it seriously.
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I still don't see downvotes. I don't really post or comment very often, but I've been reading this site almost daily for years. Maybe they could work that in to an algorithm that gives you the downvote option.. My point is that there are many, many people who are just readers (of posts and comments) who don't feel the need to comment on everything but are perfectly capable of helping police the content. Right now, I…
> Maybe they could work that in to an algorithm that gives you the downvote option.. There is, actually. You need 500 karma, and you don't have that yet.