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For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by afarrell »

waterfowl wrote: post #90
afarrell wrote: post #79

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Mixed-race person here; It is self-identified. This is actually kinda confusing because the various forms never provide any guidance on how to determine what race you are for the purpose of the form. I have a Black[1] grandfather but look either Italian, Hispanic, or Sephardic Jewish. This led to me incorrectly identifying what race I was and mostly being annoyed by the question[2]. For example, when I applied to MIT…

"clan rally"? maybe clan parade is a better way of phrasing it.

Their phrasing. When I got to their town tourism office and asked where Eamon Farrell's pub was, I was asked "You're here for the clan rally?"

In context, it was actually humorous in an reminds-you-of-decades-of-historical-terrorism kinda way.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by ape4 »

gadders wrote: post #29
GuiA wrote: post #3

I worked with mentally handicapped kids a lot as an educator when I was younger (albeit in a different country). This wonderful article captures perfectly how, in the right environment, children with Down Syndrome can blossom, but how hard it can be for them as adults once society & red tape & bureaucracy all come into play. (I also worked with children who had Down Syndrome and had not grown up in the right environm…

There was a satirical article in the Onion that exposed a similar truth. I wish I could find it now but it was along the lines of "Learning Disabled Man is Only Decent Employee in Local Burger Bar". He was the only diligent employee and the rest were teenagers that couldn't give a shit.

I have seen this in real life.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by DanBC »

swimfar wrote: post #86
DanBC wrote: post #74

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DoB and marital status are not part of modern CVs. They are irrelevant cruft. The employer is legally not allowed to take them into consideration so there is no point in including them on your CV.

Are you still speaking about France or in general? Every guide I've seen to writing a French (and German) CV lists those items as more or less essential. [1][2][3] And even if they are not essential, or not legally required that doesn't mean leaving them off will not affect their decision [4]. However, maybe it really is not a problem. I honestly have no idea. Have you seen other articles saying to no longer include…

Sorry, no, I was talking about the UK.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by mistakoala »

JPKab wrote: post #70
GuiA wrote: post #3

I worked with mentally handicapped kids a lot as an educator when I was younger (albeit in a different country). This wonderful article captures perfectly how, in the right environment, children with Down Syndrome can blossom, but how hard it can be for them as adults once society & red tape & bureaucracy all come into play. (I also worked with children who had Down Syndrome and had not grown up in the right environm…

I am curious if there are any programs which pair developmentally disabled adults with nursing homes? I think it would be a good mix for them to have jobs in which they knowingly play a role in providing companionship and assistance for the nursing home residents.

I am optimistic enough to believe that this would be worth looking at, but I am pessimistic enough to believe that it would not get a moment's consideration in a risk-averse and/ or litigious society.

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Post by aragot »

bane wrote: post #56
aragot wrote: post #16

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"Race"? In France it is forbidden to ask or record the religion or color of skin. Thus, it is forbidden to make statistics about it. Of course it is not the same about people with a handicap.

It turns out that recent studies have shown that employers will still find something to discriminate about. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/11/2... Not saying the American system solves this either. But it's interesting how the different approaches end up working on the ground.

I'll try not to reach a Godwin point in saying this, but we don't really do that for discrimination but because we're traumatised of lists with people's religions on it. Saying the "race" word is a big no-no too. It's a cultural legacy rather than a real approach.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by aragot »

swimfar wrote: post #65
aragot wrote: post #16

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"Race"? In France it is forbidden to ask or record the religion or color of skin. Thus, it is forbidden to make statistics about it. Of course it is not the same about people with a handicap.

However it is customary to include a photo, date of birth, and marital status on your CV.

Yes.

I have often been told "Can you please fill this form?" by French IT contractor companies and the subtitle was "Nationality - Age". The title was "Degree and name of the achool", which is just as discriminating after 7 years of experience. Marital status isn't really prompted.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by thecyborganizer »

JPKab wrote: post #81
rayiner wrote: post #50

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It's not a paradox. We have a lot of discussion in the U.S. about how everyone should be treated equally as a response to our historical and continuing failure to treat people equally. We keep track of race as a way to monitor our progress on that front. When you start tracking, you might be surprised by how little your organization is doing to treat people equally: http://www.google.com/diversity/at-google.html#tab=…

The problem the US has in this regard is the blunt, stupid way we do it. "Race" is an example. I work at a consulting company with very competitive hiring. Many of my teammates are "African American" according to the standard US classification, but guess what? Most of them, although born and raised in the US, are the children of Nigerian immigrants. A candid discussion with one of my co-workers on a recent business t…

One of the complicated things about race is that it has to do with not just how we see ourselves, but how others see us. A family of Nigerian immigrants might not feel the legacy of Jim Crow laws in the same way as a family descended from slaves, but racists will apply the same anti-black stereotypes to both groups.

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Post by orbifold »

JPKab wrote: post #82
ekianjo wrote: post #38

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By the way, in Germany, they don't track your race, but they ask you for your religion when you move there. And it's actually a trap ! If you answer that you have any, suddenly you'll see a religion tax (deducted from your salary every month) going to your religion of choice. In Germany is literally "pays" to be agnostic.

Lol. Why on earth do they do this?

Certain churches are 'Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts' as such they fall under state church law and get priviledges that historically were granted to the catholic and protestant church after they had lost their territorial holdings and financial independence in the 'Reichsdeputationshauptschluss' 1803.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Post by thehme »

I really respect the humanity with which this story is told; kudos to the dad, and Jamie, of course. This heartfelt story makes you realize how little we know about people with mental handicaps and the struggles they face, even is the best of circumstances. It only saddens me to think that similar children/young adults/adults out there, do not have the access to some of these programs because of they do not have such resourceful parents.
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