Starting Strength works because it's easy to understand, follow, and see results from. By far the primary challenge newer folks face is establishing the discipline and consistency, and that's a lot easier to do when you're motivated by increasing the weight on the bar regularly. My favorite quote from the book is from the very first page (which is probably very relevant to the HN crowd): A weak man is not as happy as…
I'm much happier since I've stopped lifting. I did Starting Strength until I could squat 1.5x my body weight, but I never enjoyed going to the gym, and realized I didn't really care much for the muscle I put on. If anything, it was annoying having such big thighs. I haven't been to the gym for a couple of years now and couldn't be happier. I do quite a bit of cardio (competitive table tennis), and that's it.
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#62I have trouble understanding the basis for articles like these. As far as it goes, asking which exercises might provide the best real-world gains is a sensible question, but the question of why a 40 yr old man wants to be able to push 235 lbs away from his chest when lying reclined is never even asked. Does he know why he wants this? From a biological perspective, a specimen might want to be able to do this to signal…
Seconded. I genuinely don't understand the (seemingly recent) obsession with "getting big." There are very strong reasons for wanting to lose weight and get fit, based on health reasons. I see absolutely no reason for a person working at a desk job to develop massive muscles which are literally only used in the gym.
Taking the deadlift as an example, Rippetoe spends pages describing the proper form, and why you need to do them. This is not because he wants you to necessarily get 'big', but because the muscles involved are used on a daily basis.
"The deadlift is more functional in that it’s very hard to imagine a more useful application of strength than picking heavy shit up off the ground. "
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Wit_and_Wisdom_of_Mar...
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#63Finally a fitness article that says "Just do it". There really isn't a silver bullet to this stuff. If you keep working out, you will become stronger and eventually if you also eat reasonably well you will start looking better as well. It's as simple as that. No miracles required, just a bit of patience. Personally the solution I've found works best for me follows two simple rules: 1. Never be hungry and never be stu…
I'm afraid we are going to need to see some pictures to verify that.... (kidding, please don't post pictures:)
Seconded on edgy when not enough exercise. The same thing happens to me. I notice this goes away if I ignore it and just don't exercise for a long time though. But then I don't feel as good and start having a much more negative attitude on life.
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#64Here's a link to Starting Strength[1]. I highly recommend it for people looking to bulk, tone, and put on some real muscle. It did wonders for me and I'm sure it will for you too. I also recommend doing these powerlifting exercises (such as squats, bench, and deadlift) with a focus on FORM first instead of weight. It'll prevent you from getting injured and payoff when you start lifting real heavy weight. I highly rec…
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but before starting a serious deadlifting / squat / snatch / jerk routine, please please go to a trainer. You need instruction for correct form. The aforementioned exercises will work very well for you, but if performed incorrectly they can permanently injure your back. If money is a concern, there are often private trainers (I can give references in sf) not associated with a…
It was definitely a worthwhile investment. After a month and a half of coaching with a personal trainer, I feel a lot more confident with going to a gym or using my own equipment now. I'd still be going to the same trainer if I could fit it into my schedule.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>From a biological perspective, a specimen might want to be able to do this to signal to potential mates that he is worthy of reproduction You've made a lot of assumptions about his motivations. In Starting Strength , Rippetoe basically makes the claim that these exercises are the most effective way to improve someone's overall health and fitness. His attitude is probably best summarized by the following quote: >Huma…
> that these exercises are the most effective way to improve someone's overall health and fitness. This doesn't explain anything, however. It's tautological... he wants to increase his fitness, to increase his fitness ? > Now, I'm not going to argue with you about whether humans need exercise to be healthy or if so, To what end? To eke out another 3 years at the end of his life, probably in a nursing home? If he was…
Sure and two of the biggest factors in preventing/treating diabetes are exercise and weight maintenance.
>This doesn't explain anything, however. It's tautological... he wants to increase his fitness, to increase his fitness?
Nope. He is performing weight bearing exercise to, not only become better at performing those exercises, but also with the goal of achieving better body composition, bone density, stamina, mental well being, etc. These have huge impacts on quality of life. You've established that you don't value longevity and quality of life, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why others seek that out.
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As someone who started with Starting Strength about a year ago, and who goes to a gym in Manhattan with lots of trainers around... Nope. The book is far superior to any of the trainers I've encountered. The book has so much detail on each exercise, it will take you weeks to absorb it, but if you read relevant parts before/after each workout, to make sure you're doing everything right, you'll probably wind up with muc…
As someone who started lifting a year ago: you don't know what you're talking about, but don't let that stop you from giving others advice that could hurt them. For the rest of people interested in getting strong: get a competent trainer (one easy evaluation metric is, as I mentioned, their deadlift maxes; greater than 500 pounds makes avoiding injury w/o good form very unlikely; or participation in powerlifting even…
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who started with Starting Strength about a year ago, and who goes to a gym in Manhattan with lots of trainers around... Nope. The book is far superior to any of the trainers I've encountered. The book has so much detail on each exercise, it will take you weeks to absorb it, but if you read relevant parts before/after each workout, to make sure you're doing everything right, you'll probably wind up with muc…
As someone who started lifting a year ago: you don't know what you're talking about, but don't let that stop you from giving others advice that could hurt them. For the rest of people interested in getting strong: get a competent trainer (one easy evaluation metric is, as I mentioned, their deadlift maxes; greater than 500 pounds makes avoiding injury w/o good form very unlikely; or participation in powerlifting even…
I have been lifting for five years and I can conclusively state that you are grossly misinformed about this issue.
Fact: the vast majority of trainers out there are shitty. The problem with relying on them as a beginner is that you cannot recognize the shitty ones from the good ones. Simplest example: most trainers will tell you not to go below parallel when you squat, which is just wrong advice. But as a newbie, you aren't in a position to question them. So you will learn wrong form and will be more likely to develop muscle imbalances and injuries.
Therefore, your advice of relying on a trainer to show you good form is potentially far more harmful than using the book as a reference.
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#68I have trouble understanding the basis for articles like these. As far as it goes, asking which exercises might provide the best real-world gains is a sensible question, but the question of why a 40 yr old man wants to be able to push 235 lbs away from his chest when lying reclined is never even asked. Does he know why he wants this? From a biological perspective, a specimen might want to be able to do this to signal…
"A male's ability to provide benefit to a female just doesn't lean much towards the "fighting off sabertooth tigers" anymore, nor even in the western world towards "fighting off other males" Yes, you are exactly right. And the brain knows that. Yet, our evolutionary selection criteria, eh....let's just call it what it is... the desire of people to have sex with you, hasn't caught up yet. There is a reason big breasts…
I disagree. There is a tremendous selection pressure going on, constantly.
I always chuckle when I read something by some disaffected 19 yr old whining about how girls don't like him. And what does he do? He talks about going to the gym. Even if that were to work, how likely is he to stand out among all the other thousands doing the same, some of which are almost certain to be more advantaged than he (genetics, whatever) ?
He'd do better to get a good job and start looking responsible. So few do, that even if he isn't perfect at such, he'd succeed just because he's in a seller's market (in that niche, at least).
> There is a reason big breasts and biceps arouse desire when they logically shouldn't.
There is. But I contend that this is because of a psychological defect in the human species: we want what other people want. Why do we want this?
It's advantageous. Let's assume that there is a guy called "Bob". He's not very bright, and while he does have his moments where he figures out something clever, these moments happen on a year-to-year basis, rather than a second-to-second basis (or even hour-to-hour). Figuring out what to want is a difficult intellectual problem, with thousands or millions of factors to consider.
So if Bob tries to figure this out himself, he will have to expend enormous effort to do so. And even then, he might make the wrong conclusion.
He can instead just "want what everyone wants". This takes minimal effort. You observe what seems to be popular, and want that. And even though it requires very little effort, the results are very, very close to as good as those had he expended enormous effort himself.
And so, we want what others want.
In small hunter-gatherer societies, this is very optimal. It almost never backfires. But as societies get bigger, this behavior becomes odd very quickly. We get runaway feedback loops in short order.
This doesn't mean that the behavior is now disadvantageous... in many scenarios, it works as well as it ever did. So the selection pressure to tamp this behavior down is lowered or suppressed completely.
So, if even a few people want something, with the right timing and the right random events, everyone will start wanting it. The novelty can even help, at first.
And everyone else wants it because they thought others did at some point. And as soon as they decided they wanted that thing (gym muscles) they added to the perception of others that this should be desirable. And the more people buy into it, the more extreme the desire becomes... after all, the only way to stand out among all the rest is to be the most X, for whatever X is.
The hilarious part though is how sterile this behavior is. None of the people participating in it are particularly successful from a reproductive point of view. Hell, how would they go to the gym if they had a bunch of brats to take care of?
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#69I have trouble understanding the basis for articles like these. As far as it goes, asking which exercises might provide the best real-world gains is a sensible question, but the question of why a 40 yr old man wants to be able to push 235 lbs away from his chest when lying reclined is never even asked. Does he know why he wants this? From a biological perspective, a specimen might want to be able to do this to signal…
It's something you can't understand unless you try it.
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> that these exercises are the most effective way to improve someone's overall health and fitness. This doesn't explain anything, however. It's tautological... he wants to increase his fitness, to increase his fitness ? > Now, I'm not going to argue with you about whether humans need exercise to be healthy or if so, To what end? To eke out another 3 years at the end of his life, probably in a nursing home? If he was…
>If he was trying to avoid diabetes, that makes sense to me, that affects anywhere from 10-40 years of your life, and is a very extreme quality-of-life factor. Sure and two of the biggest factors in preventing/treating diabetes are exercise and weight maintenance. >This doesn't explain anything, however. It's tautological... he wants to increase his fitness, to increase his fitness? Nope. He is performing weight bear…
60 years ago, your grandfather's generation had no problems with this at all. They didn't go to the gym.
While exercise is a factor, these people have taken the required level of exercise and kicked it up 10,000%.
> Nope. He is performing weight bearing exercise to, not only become better at performing those exercises, but also with the goal of achieving better body composition,
Better in what sense?
Again, you're being tautological.
> mental well being
Huh? The only way it increases his mental well being is that he believes that if he doesn't meet some abstract ideal he'll have failed... an ideal which he chose in the first place.
The hamster doesn't run on the wheel because it thinks that being a fatty is deplorable, but because it's become mentally ill trapped in its cage.
> You've established that you don't value longevity
My maternal grandfather weighs 300 pounds. He turns 81 this year.
How much longevity would it buy me? Any number of years (realistically more like months) that I'd get will be at the end of my life, when it matters little.
> and quality of life,
My life's quality is already pretty high. What is it that I'm missing? Being able to hike up a mountain?