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Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#91
The quickest way to gain mass adoption to IPv6 is if facebook, twitter and google+ collectively decide to disable their IPv4 and leave only IPv6 as a connection option.

I figure the subsequent avalanche of user pressure on isps will solve the problem in a week or so. Added bonus: during that week productivity will be at an all time high.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#92
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There are unallocated /8's that are privately routed. A lot are controlled by the U.S. DoD. But every time they come up, the response is always "so what? use IPv6!" I generally agree. Putting those in circulation would actually be a bad thing. It would allow IPv4 to continue to zombie-walk for another couple years, maybe another decade, and in so doing to become more deeply entrenched, harming us in the long-run. IPv…

> It really, really pains me that so many cloud providers are taking so damn long to support IPv6.

Not sure about cloud providers, but several VPS companies already offer discounts for you to go IPv6 only.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#93
Ive been given a static ipv4 and a big ipv6 range from my isp, problem is despite getting the latest and best router http://www.asus.com/Networking/RTN66U/

I cant get ipv6 to work with this router, tho if i connect laptop directly to the wan cable i get an ipv6 address without issues and can use google via ipv6 etc

If a slightly unshaven geek like me cant get ipv6 to work easily what hope is there for rest of the world :(

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that Ford (and the other multinationals) have more need of an /8 than any university that is just in a single city.

I would agree, and say that universities with an entire /8 probably shouldn't have them anymore either. That's a case where it definitely made sense early on, but stopped making sense quite a while ago.

Imperial College had two as the computer science department had its own /8. Probably still does.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#95

Steve Reeding, one of the creators of IPv6, shares his crucial insight on how some networks adapt, survive, and impose themselves [1]: "I have a different take on that. Yes, a lot of people were dissing tunnels yesterday. I'm actually a big fan of tunnels. I think the way the IPv4 Internet was built originally was basically by tunneling over the phone system. Ignore, you know, getting leased lines, putting computers…

That's a very interesting view and the closest thing that I've seen to date for a practical, workable solution to the current mess. I really like that. How are RBLs and other useful internet institutions that work on the basis of IPv4 addresses along the way with their IPv6 adoption?

I also wondered about this and any throttling-based protection / rate limiting based on IP. With IPv6 the address space is huge and makes blacklists far less effective (or much more memory consuming and slow, but that's something that can be resolved with things like Bloom Filters I imagine).

It would take some time to adapt implementations. I speculate this gives attackers some opportunities to use old-style hacks that were largely mitigated, but suddenly re-appear with IPv6.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#96
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are between step 2 and 3. Looks like a /22 is $500 currently: https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html .

Hmm. I would argue that we're still in step -1, though the clean shaven folks have finally started listening to the neckbeards in a few circumstances and are slowly moving around towards step 0. Most people still can't actually route IPv6 over their tubes without going through a tunnel broker. At least for home, small office, and companies that aren't tech heavy, it's still firmly in the neckbeard camp.

Major (consumer) ISPs in Australia offer native dual-stack.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#97
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It would be nice if certain websites we all use every day supported v6 better... firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA news.ycombinator.com news.ycombinator.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA twitter.com twitter.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA cloud-images.ubuntu.com cloud-images.ubuntu.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA ubuntu.com ubuntu.com has no AAAA record ...

There are no AAAA records for ubuntu.com, but archive.ubuntu.com does have AAAA records.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#98
post #3

This is the recovered pool that's finally running out, so short of reclaiming something drastic like the class A block 10 (you know, a really really bad idea), dang. Anyone know what IPv6 adoption is looking like these days? Google is showing like 3% of their connections are native to it [1], which does not look promising. 1: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6...

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Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#99
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I would argue that we're still in step -1, though the clean shaven folks have finally started listening to the neckbeards in a few circumstances and are slowly moving around towards step 0. Most people still can't actually route IPv6 over their tubes without going through a tunnel broker. At least for home, small office, and companies that aren't tech heavy, it's still firmly in the neckbeard camp.

Well, you definitely can route IPv6 over the public backbone. If you get an IPv6 address in SF and I get one in NYC, we can already talk to each other. That is how we got past step -1. Dual stack is now a pretty standard setup on a non-trivial, though still small number of networks. For example, Linode, Comcast, T-Mobile all support dual stack on at least some of their networks. What we have not quite reached yet is…

As another example, when I am using LTE on Verizon Wireless, I am connecting over IPv6 to sites running IPv6 (ex. Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, etc.). I can go to sites like http://www.test-ipv6.com/ and see that I have full IPv6 connectivity.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

#100

Time to start auctioning IPv4 ranges. Is there anything in the terms that prevents such an auction? Putting a price on ranges should redistribute IPv4 ranges to those who need them. It's certainly simpler than coming up with a set of rules for usage.

ARIN has a policy for trading IPv4: https://www.arin.net/resources/transfers/transfer_market.htm...
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