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Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by IgorPartola »

avis wrote: post #60
IgorPartola wrote: post #50

So there is a lot of sentiment that I've been hearing over time about when exactly will IPv6 become a thing. Here's how I see it: Step -1: We started running out of IPv4 addresses. The internet is IPv4-only for all practical purposes. Nobody is doing IPv6 because it's still experimental. Your weird neck-bearded friends are talking about it, that's about it. Step 0: Inception! IPv6 is now a standard and you can route…

Are we currently in step 3? How much does a /24 running for right now?

We are between step 2 and 3. Looks like a /22 is $500 currently: https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by ciupicri »

sneak wrote: post #47

It would be nice if certain websites we all use every day supported v6 better... firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA news.ycombinator.com news.ycombinator.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA twitter.com twitter.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA cloud-images.ubuntu.com cloud-images.ubuntu.com has no AAAA record firstmillion:~▻ host -t AAAA ubuntu.com ubuntu.com has no AAAA record ...

By the way, I find it interesting that Fedora supports IPv6:

    $ host -t AAAA fedoraproject.org
    fedoraproject.org has IPv6 address     2001:4178:2:1269::fed2
    fedoraproject.org has IPv6 address 2607:f188::dead:beef:cafe:fed1
    fedoraproject.org has IPv6 address 2610:28:3090:3001:dead:beef:cafe:fed4
while Red Hat doesn't:

    $ host -t AAAA redhat.com
    redhat.com has no AAAA record

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by avis »

IgorPartola wrote: post #71
avis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we currently in step 3? How much does a /24 running for right now?

We are between step 2 and 3. Looks like a /22 is $500 currently: https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html .

Yeah, but thats only for those who meet the requirements. The Real world scenario is that people pay about $500/mo for a /24 I heard - kind of a black market thing.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by mikeash »

icefox wrote: post #63
hrrsn wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A /8 is 16,777,216 addresses. Ford has 181,000 employees as of 2013 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company ). That's very roughly 92 publicly routable IP addresses per employee. I highly doubt they need that many.

What about 1 per car?

In practice, I imagine they'd outsource the internet connectivity bit to cellular carriers (as is the case for OnStar and similar at the moment) and those companies would be the ones to worry about provisioning IP addresses.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by smackfu »

ry0ohki wrote: post #48

Easy problem to solve, so many entire /8 blocks are owned by single corporations, which should either be forced to sell or give up this outdated privilege. Does Xerox really need all of 13.x.x.x? Or Ford Motor Company all of 19.x.x.x? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addres...

They probably assign static IPs in their range all the time. They just aren't publicly routable. Taking away their /8 would require a huge amount of reconfiguration work, so not sure what the motive would be, until the prices get really high.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by q3k »

mgkimsal wrote: post #45
joshavant wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It becomes more and more impossible every day. Last time I tried to acquire a new IPv4, the distributor (my VPS host) required a technical reason for the request. If the request wasn't up to par, you would be denied an IPv4 + given an IPv6.

15 years ago I had to fill out an IP justification form - the justification was I had multiple SSL sites that all needed separate IP addresses. Wasn't a big deal, but was told it was standard practice (it was a smaller server center). And then I've had other dedicated server companies give me a block of 8 (5 usable) as just part of the monthly price. What seems so wasteful is the "3 unusable" out of the 8 that are al…

You can actually use two of these addresses (network & broadcast) - but you cannot really call it a proper /X block anymore. You will also have to make sure to disable the broadcast address you've used up on all of your hosts.

This is all very fuzzy and some admins will look at you weird for doing this - but sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do.

The third address (router) is actually used by your ISP's router's to reach your subnet.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by btgeekboy »

teepo wrote: post #51
btgeekboy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cloud provider problem is definitely real. I have an idea for a service that requires both IPv4 and IPv6, but Linode and Rackspace were the two I found that both support native IPv6. Otherwise, it's something involving a HE.net tunnel, which I'm not comfortable with for more than experimental use.

SoftLayer has supported IPv6 for years. All their servers have IPv6 enabled.

Thanks for the info. I'd not remembered them in my search.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by btgeekboy »

api wrote: post #4
fournm wrote: post #3

This is the recovered pool that's finally running out, so short of reclaiming something drastic like the class A block 10 (you know, a really really bad idea), dang. Anyone know what IPv6 adoption is looking like these days? Google is showing like 3% of their connections are native to it [1], which does not look promising. 1: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6...

Great strides could be made if Google, Wikipedia, and other major destinations had a day where they displayed a box to non-IPv6-enabled visitors telling them to contact their ISPs and ask for IPv6 and explaining why.

It's probably better to fight one battle at a time. Network neutrality is a more immediate concern than IPv6 support.

Re: Goodbye, IPv4 IANA Starts Allocating Final Address Blocks

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Post by mraison »

paulsutter wrote: post #72

Time to start auctioning IPv4 ranges. Is there anything in the terms that prevents such an auction? Putting a price on ranges should redistribute IPv4 ranges to those who need them. It's certainly simpler than coming up with a set of rules for usage.

I have the feeling that fighting this is about as important as protecting net neutrality. I wouldn't like a world where only those who can afford to buy expensive IPv4 addresses can serve their content without any obstacles, especially when the issue would be completely solved by wider IPv6 adoption.
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